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Golang is many times well better designed than Java ever will be. Java has fundamental issues with the language (which is the reason Groovy and Kotlin exist in

Golang is many times well better designed than Java ever will be. Java has fundamental issues with the language (which is the reason Groovy and Kotlin exist in the first place). If you want performance, stick with Golang. If you want rapid prototyping/dev, go with Python, 3.11 is much better in performance than older versions.

pjmlp 4y ago
Yeah, their design of enumerations is tip top.
skitter 4y ago
Go has it's own fundamental problems. Something very basic that turns me off is what happens to the original slice when appending to a it (done by calling append(slice, item) and using the result). Does it get modified? It may or it may not. Either one would be useful, but this way nobody else can hold a reference to the slice because it becomes useless to them.
- ActorNightly 4y ago
  Every language has idiosyncrasies. The issue with Java is that right off the bat you are presented with bloat. Just to have a main function requires a class (and people realize this is wrong, which is why Kotlin and Groovy fixed this). Want a build system? You have to learn a whole another language essentially, like ant/maven/or gradle. Want to have logs? You have to use a library that has its own xml configuration files that specify behavior, in their own format. Oh and that library may have glaring vulnerabilities where logging something results in FETCHING CODE FROM THE INTERNET AND EXECUTING IT, BY DESIGN. Same goes for most any other public library that is widely used. Oh and btw, its bad practice in making your class members public, you should make them private. But its also bad practice in writing getters and setters - instead use a library that hacks the AST and writes functions there that are not visible in the code, for which you need special plugins for every IDE to recognize. I honestly don't know how people deal with this and remain so ignorant to it to continue using Java.
AtlasBarfed 4y ago
If you want perf, then rust wins. Golang has gc.
kaba0 4y ago
Come on, I can honestly have a hard time taking anyone seriously that says that Go is a better designed language. Like, at times I even question the “designed” part. They managed to create a more verbose Java 1.1 (yes, this is objectively true), with even more footguns than it had at the time. Oh, and it is absolutely not more performant than Java for most use cases - sure, it is a good choice for very basic server applications that barely allocate anything, but complex applications where allocations are significant will absolutely run faster with Java.

pjmlp 4y ago

Yeah, their design of enumerations is tip top.

skitter 4y ago

Go has it's own fundamental problems. Something very basic that turns me off is what happens to the original slice when appending to a it (done by calling append(slice, item) and using the result). Does it get modified? It may or it may not. Either one would be useful, but this way nobody else can hold a reference to the slice because it becomes useless to them.

ActorNightly 4y ago
Every language has idiosyncrasies. The issue with Java is that right off the bat you are presented with bloat. Just to have a main function requires a class (and people realize this is wrong, which is why Kotlin and Groovy fixed this). Want a build system? You have to learn a whole another language essentially, like ant/maven/or gradle. Want to have logs? You have to use a library that has its own xml configuration files that specify behavior, in their own format. Oh and that library may have glaring vulnerabilities where logging something results in FETCHING CODE FROM THE INTERNET AND EXECUTING IT, BY DESIGN. Same goes for most any other public library that is widely used. Oh and btw, its bad practice in making your class members public, you should make them private. But its also bad practice in writing getters and setters - instead use a library that hacks the AST and writes functions there that are not visible in the code, for which you need special plugins for every IDE to recognize. I honestly don't know how people deal with this and remain so ignorant to it to continue using Java.

AtlasBarfed 4y ago

If you want perf, then rust wins. Golang has gc.

kaba0 4y ago

Come on, I can honestly have a hard time taking anyone seriously that says that Go is a better designed language. Like, at times I even question the “designed” part. They managed to create a more verbose Java 1.1 (yes, this is objectively true), with even more footguns than it had at the time. Oh, and it is absolutely not more performant than Java for most use cases - sure, it is a good choice for very basic server applications that barely allocate anything, but complex applications where allocations are significant will absolutely run faster with Java.