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Thus is all the fault of Laetitia Halliday, ultimately. If she did not sue Valentin Lacambre, he would not have abandoned altern.org. If he kept altern.org, g

Thus is all the fault of Laetitia Halliday, ultimately. If she did not sue Valentin Lacambre, he would not have abandoned altern.org. If he kept altern.org, gandi would have been an association, not a corporation. And the world would be a slightly better place.

ploum 4y ago
Wow, good old memories! (btw, it was Estelle Halliday, not Laetitia Halliday. But your uchrony is perfectly right)
- sam_lowry_ 4y ago
  True, it was Estelle. Thanks.
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    Maybe edit the original in case there is someone with that actual name?
    - kerneis 4y ago
      Both exist. Trivia time: Laeticia (née Laetitia) was married to Johnny, the famous French rock singer; Estelle was married to David, son of Johnny. Note that Johnny is dead now, Laeticia has been remaried twice but kept Johnny's last name, Estelle is divorced, and David is not the son of Laeticia as Johnny got married several times (David's mother is the French actress Sylvie Vartan).
      - ploum 4y ago
        To summarize : Laeticia is basically the step-mother of Estelle. But she’s 9 years younger.
        kbelder 4y ago
        Well, that's just France for you.
- krsrhe 4y ago
  Uchrony? Fictional?
Thoreandan 4y ago
TIL. (for those also out of the loop: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altern https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altern )
- sundarurfriend 4y ago
  An English article on this (from 1999): http://www.praxagora.com/andyo/ar/anonymity_snare.html http://www.praxagora.com/andyo/ar/anonymity_snare.html
- ignoramous 4y ago
  For those out of French: https://archive.is/b0qY9 https://archive.is/b0qY9 (Valentine Lacambre, co-founder of Gandi.net) / https://archive.is/rxDO1 https://archive.is/rxDO1 (AlternB)
zokier 4y ago
Interesting bit of backstory. That reminds me how one of the frequent complaints about Gandi have been its unusual terms of service, having fairly extensive "morality clauses" in there https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=gandi%20deviant&sort=byPopularity&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... http://www.gandi.net/static/contracts/en/g2/pdf/MSA-1.3-EN.pdf http://www.gandi.net/static/contracts/en/g2/pdf/MSA-1.3-EN.p... (note that new versions seem to not have the clauses anymore..) I wonder if that history has something to do with that...
renewiltord 4y ago
Ah, tldr: Valentin Lacambre hosted a website where you could post stuff Estelle Halliday was revenge-porned by someone who posted on this website French courts ruled that the host was liable (this was back in the day) Valentin settled and shut down his site and started Gandi
- sam_lowry_ 4y ago
  Not just any website. Altern.org was pretty much the Gmail of the day for French speakers. Web hosting offer was also free and minimal.

ploum 4y ago

Wow, good old memories! (btw, it was Estelle Halliday, not Laetitia Halliday. But your uchrony is perfectly right)

sam_lowry_ 4y ago
True, it was Estelle. Thanks.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  Maybe edit the original in case there is someone with that actual name?
  - kerneis 4y ago
    Both exist. Trivia time: Laeticia (née Laetitia) was married to Johnny, the famous French rock singer; Estelle was married to David, son of Johnny. Note that Johnny is dead now, Laeticia has been remaried twice but kept Johnny's last name, Estelle is divorced, and David is not the son of Laeticia as Johnny got married several times (David's mother is the French actress Sylvie Vartan).
    - ploum 4y ago
      To summarize : Laeticia is basically the step-mother of Estelle. But she’s 9 years younger.
      - kbelder 4y ago
        Well, that's just France for you.
krsrhe 4y ago
Uchrony? Fictional?

Thoreandan 4y ago

TIL. (for those also out of the loop: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altern https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altern )

sundarurfriend 4y ago
An English article on this (from 1999): http://www.praxagora.com/andyo/ar/anonymity_snare.html http://www.praxagora.com/andyo/ar/anonymity_snare.html
ignoramous 4y ago
For those out of French: https://archive.is/b0qY9 https://archive.is/b0qY9 (Valentine Lacambre, co-founder of Gandi.net) / https://archive.is/rxDO1 https://archive.is/rxDO1 (AlternB)

zokier 4y ago

Interesting bit of backstory. That reminds me how one of the frequent complaints about Gandi have been its unusual terms of service, having fairly extensive "morality clauses" in there https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=gandi%20deviant&sort=byPopularity&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... http://www.gandi.net/static/contracts/en/g2/pdf/MSA-1.3-EN.pdf http://www.gandi.net/static/contracts/en/g2/pdf/MSA-1.3-EN.p... (note that new versions seem to not have the clauses anymore..) I wonder if that history has something to do with that...

renewiltord 4y ago

Ah, tldr: Valentin Lacambre hosted a website where you could post stuff Estelle Halliday was revenge-porned by someone who posted on this website French courts ruled that the host was liable (this was back in the day) Valentin settled and shut down his site and started Gandi

sam_lowry_ 4y ago
Not just any website. Altern.org was pretty much the Gmail of the day for French speakers. Web hosting offer was also free and minimal.