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"The rate of suicide is highest in middle-aged white men. In 2020, men died by suicide 3.88x more than women." https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/ https://af

"The rate of suicide is highest in middle-aged white men. In 2020, men died by suicide 3.88x more than women." https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/ https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/ Yeah screw those guys right, women are obviously experiencing way more stressful lives and have to deal with more negative things.

positron6001 4y ago
this is an article about women in the workplace, not suicide stats or an attempt to measure some kind of vague notion of suffering ("negative things"?). but sure, let's turn an article about an issue that women face into one about men. again, won't someone think of the men? and only the men?
altairprime 4y ago
There’s a labor department study that found that 25% of US unemployed men will flat out refuse paying work if it doesn’t pay them better than their peers — and then they resent their peers for having paying work. So of course men are more likely to get depressed commit suicide: “I’m worthless unless I’m worth more than he is” is a cruel and vicious ethos to believe in, and hands responsibility for mental well-being to their neighbor’s salary. (No doubt there’s other reasons too, but all the same: men self-inflict a lot of harm that’s unique to men. Men ought to do something about that.)
- wonderwonder 4y ago
  Current unemployment rate is 3.4%. assume half are men. So 1.7%. 25% of that is 0.425% of men. Maybe not the greatest statistical measure to judge men's suicide rates on. How would men even know how much their coworkers make? I would very much like to see the wording of the question that drove this survey. Did the study ask the same question of women? If not then how do we know this is just not a human thing. Why base the suicide rates on that and not on getting cut down at work or any and all the issues the article says women are suffering from at a high rate? They seem more likely to explain a nearly 4x suicide rate.
  - foogazi 4y ago
    Parent post: >> if it doesn’t pay them better than their peers — and then they resent their peers for having paying work. You said: > How would men even know how much their coworkers make ? Peers are not coworkers
  - altairprime 4y ago
    0.425% of men is about 12 million Americans, which coincidentally is the same number of Americans that the CDC reports “seriously considered suicide” in 2022. I’m sure it’s just coincidental, given that suicide rates are spiking higher among women than men right now, but I absolutely would consider 0.425% a valid sample size to consider when it results in n=12million.

positron6001 4y ago

this is an article about women in the workplace, not suicide stats or an attempt to measure some kind of vague notion of suffering ("negative things"?). but sure, let's turn an article about an issue that women face into one about men. again, won't someone think of the men? and only the men?

altairprime 4y ago

There’s a labor department study that found that 25% of US unemployed men will flat out refuse paying work if it doesn’t pay them better than their peers — and then they resent their peers for having paying work. So of course men are more likely to get depressed commit suicide: “I’m worthless unless I’m worth more than he is” is a cruel and vicious ethos to believe in, and hands responsibility for mental well-being to their neighbor’s salary. (No doubt there’s other reasons too, but all the same: men self-inflict a lot of harm that’s unique to men. Men ought to do something about that.)

wonderwonder 4y ago
Current unemployment rate is 3.4%. assume half are men. So 1.7%. 25% of that is 0.425% of men. Maybe not the greatest statistical measure to judge men's suicide rates on. How would men even know how much their coworkers make? I would very much like to see the wording of the question that drove this survey. Did the study ask the same question of women? If not then how do we know this is just not a human thing. Why base the suicide rates on that and not on getting cut down at work or any and all the issues the article says women are suffering from at a high rate? They seem more likely to explain a nearly 4x suicide rate.
- foogazi 4y ago
  Parent post: >> if it doesn’t pay them better than their peers — and then they resent their peers for having paying work. You said: > How would men even know how much their coworkers make ? Peers are not coworkers
- altairprime 4y ago
  0.425% of men is about 12 million Americans, which coincidentally is the same number of Americans that the CDC reports “seriously considered suicide” in 2022. I’m sure it’s just coincidental, given that suicide rates are spiking higher among women than men right now, but I absolutely would consider 0.425% a valid sample size to consider when it results in n=12million.