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This is not intended to be snarky, but I’m curious to understand the boundaries of “no technology”. Does it mean not using devices with screens and/or Internet

by AnonC 4y ago

This is not intended to be snarky, but I’m curious to understand the boundaries of “no technology”. Does it mean not using devices with screens and/or Internet connectivity or does it include avoiding things like refrigerators, washing machines, blenders, dishwashers, ovens, stoves, electric lights, doorbells, electric kettles, water heaters, fans, air conditioning, automobiles, and many more that are built with technology?

bramblerose 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_on_Shabbat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_on_Shabbat
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voicedYoda 4y ago
Great question! For the most part, we don't turn anything on or off. It stays in it's state. The water heater or furnace have their own systems they abide by, and given they aren't alive, they aren't required to abide by the rules of the Sabbath. This goes for any autonomous system: timers for lights, crock pots, utilities, servers, answering machines, faxes, etc. We don't cook food, so either everything has to be prepared in advance, or we eat cold stuff. We also follow more strict rules that are beyond tech. Technology is just one thing we avoid (long story short is we are prohibited from making a fire, sparks generated but turning something on is conceivably a distant, but related spark, thus we avoid turning on things). We don't write (no pen/paper) and as adults we don't usually play with chalk, but our children are less contained by this nuance. We don't chop wood. We try to even avoid making plans for after the Sabbath during the Sabbath. We don't drive cars, do normal work, run errands, do chores (sweeping, cleaning up, etc are fine, but some people hold that even doing dishes may violate their Sabbath, but to each their own).
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- steve1977 4y ago
  How do board games and books fit in this, I mean, why are they ok?
- peterfirefly 4y ago
  >but turning something on is conceivably a distant, but related spark, thus we avoid turning on things). Given the well-known Askhenazi propensity for hair splitting, shouldn't using FETs to turn electricity on/off be ok? There really is no spark in that case.
MKais 4y ago
Shabbat elevator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbat_elevator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbat_elevator
- m463 4y ago
  I remember reading about someone who lived in a new york (?) highrise shabbat observing neighbors. He would come home those days and find people clustered in the lobby who would patiently wait for him to call the elevator and quickly jump on with him. I don't know what would happen if they didn't live on the same floor...
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by AnonC 4y ago

bramblerose 4y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_on_Shabbat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_on_Shabbat

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voicedYoda 4y ago

Great question! For the most part, we don't turn anything on or off. It stays in it's state. The water heater or furnace have their own systems they abide by, and given they aren't alive, they aren't required to abide by the rules of the Sabbath. This goes for any autonomous system: timers for lights, crock pots, utilities, servers, answering machines, faxes, etc. We don't cook food, so either everything has to be prepared in advance, or we eat cold stuff. We also follow more strict rules that are beyond tech. Technology is just one thing we avoid (long story short is we are prohibited from making a fire, sparks generated but turning something on is conceivably a distant, but related spark, thus we avoid turning on things). We don't write (no pen/paper) and as adults we don't usually play with chalk, but our children are less contained by this nuance. We don't chop wood. We try to even avoid making plans for after the Sabbath during the Sabbath. We don't drive cars, do normal work, run errands, do chores (sweeping, cleaning up, etc are fine, but some people hold that even doing dishes may violate their Sabbath, but to each their own).

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steve1977 4y ago
How do board games and books fit in this, I mean, why are they ok?
peterfirefly 4y ago
>but turning something on is conceivably a distant, but related spark, thus we avoid turning on things). Given the well-known Askhenazi propensity for hair splitting, shouldn't using FETs to turn electricity on/off be ok? There really is no spark in that case.

MKais 4y ago

Shabbat elevator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbat_elevator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbat_elevator

m463 4y ago
I remember reading about someone who lived in a new york (?) highrise shabbat observing neighbors. He would come home those days and find people clustered in the lobby who would patiently wait for him to call the elevator and quickly jump on with him. I don't know what would happen if they didn't live on the same floor...
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