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this is every research organization and think tank in existence. we should also never trust oncologists, because oncologists only exist if cancer exists.

fidgewidge 4y ago
A good reason to treat researchers with more scepticism. > we should also never trust oncologists, because oncologists only exist if cancer exists. Cancer objectively does exist and we will conclude this even if we ignore oncologists. If cancer were something extremely subjective, widely believed to not be a problem at all and the only people claiming it was a problem were oncologists - then maybe. But it's not the case.
- midoridensha 4y ago
  >Cancer objectively does exist and we will conclude this even if we ignore oncologists. This isn't true. Can you see cancer? How exactly do you know someone (or yourself) has cancer? If we eliminate oncologists and other medical professionals who are able to identify and diagnose cancer, then cancer won't exist any more. People will simply die from unexplained illnesses.
  - fidgewidge 4y ago
    Um yes, of course can you see cancer. Just search Google Images for tumour to see many disturbing images of cancers. This stuff was taught in high school when I was a kid, how can you not know this? Cancer is so obvious it was being diagnosed and then described by the ancient Egyptians. https://www.cancer.org/treatment/understanding-your-diagnosis/history-of-cancer/what-is-cancer.html https://www.cancer.org/treatment/understanding-your-diagnosi... > How exactly do you know someone (or yourself) has cancer? By using your eyes or fingers to detect lumps. > If we eliminate oncologists ... cancer won't exist any more. People will simply die from unexplained illnesses. This is absurdly, catastrophically wrong.
    - midoridensha 4y ago
      How do you know those lumps are "cancer"? Can you see the cells multiplying? Maybe you have microscopic vision, but I don't; I have to rely on some professional taking a sample and doing lab tests on it, and then telling me the results. To me, they're just lumps and I have no idea what I'm looking at. >This stuff was taught in high school when I was a kid You were taught in high school how to distinguish, visually, cancerous tumors from benign tumors, and you can take over as an oncologist today because of this ability? I find that hard to believe.
sagebird 4y ago
There is hard evidence that cancer exist that can be evaluated by individuals who do not make money treating cancer. There is weak evidence of tall poppy syndrome being a workplace problem or a workplace problem affecting predominantly women. If someone gave women a survey that asked “Do you believe that workplace stress on women is causing increased cancer risk?”, and 90% reported yes, that would be horrible evidence to decide that cancer research funding should be diverted to this women’s empowerment org.
mansion7 4y ago
One could also distrust them due to their incestuous relationship with pharmaceutical companies, politicization of the AMA, or the fact that medical errors are a leading cause of death every year.

fidgewidge 4y ago

A good reason to treat researchers with more scepticism. > we should also never trust oncologists, because oncologists only exist if cancer exists. Cancer objectively does exist and we will conclude this even if we ignore oncologists. If cancer were something extremely subjective, widely believed to not be a problem at all and the only people claiming it was a problem were oncologists - then maybe. But it's not the case.

midoridensha 4y ago
>Cancer objectively does exist and we will conclude this even if we ignore oncologists. This isn't true. Can you see cancer? How exactly do you know someone (or yourself) has cancer? If we eliminate oncologists and other medical professionals who are able to identify and diagnose cancer, then cancer won't exist any more. People will simply die from unexplained illnesses.
- fidgewidge 4y ago
  Um yes, of course can you see cancer. Just search Google Images for tumour to see many disturbing images of cancers. This stuff was taught in high school when I was a kid, how can you not know this? Cancer is so obvious it was being diagnosed and then described by the ancient Egyptians. https://www.cancer.org/treatment/understanding-your-diagnosis/history-of-cancer/what-is-cancer.html https://www.cancer.org/treatment/understanding-your-diagnosi... > How exactly do you know someone (or yourself) has cancer? By using your eyes or fingers to detect lumps. > If we eliminate oncologists ... cancer won't exist any more. People will simply die from unexplained illnesses. This is absurdly, catastrophically wrong.
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    How do you know those lumps are "cancer"? Can you see the cells multiplying? Maybe you have microscopic vision, but I don't; I have to rely on some professional taking a sample and doing lab tests on it, and then telling me the results. To me, they're just lumps and I have no idea what I'm looking at. >This stuff was taught in high school when I was a kid You were taught in high school how to distinguish, visually, cancerous tumors from benign tumors, and you can take over as an oncologist today because of this ability? I find that hard to believe.

sagebird 4y ago

There is hard evidence that cancer exist that can be evaluated by individuals who do not make money treating cancer. There is weak evidence of tall poppy syndrome being a workplace problem or a workplace problem affecting predominantly women. If someone gave women a survey that asked “Do you believe that workplace stress on women is causing increased cancer risk?”, and 90% reported yes, that would be horrible evidence to decide that cancer research funding should be diverted to this women’s empowerment org.

mansion7 4y ago

One could also distrust them due to their incestuous relationship with pharmaceutical companies, politicization of the AMA, or the fact that medical errors are a leading cause of death every year.