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> I think most rational people would see through that ... Where is the inconsistency? A heterosexual man is called to chastity as well. If he acts against this

> I think most rational people would see through that ... Where is the inconsistency? A heterosexual man is called to chastity as well. If he acts against this by cheating on his spouse I don't think the CC would be 'condemning an intrinsic quality' he was made with. The teachings of Jesus should piss everyone off in some way or another.

Tagbert 4y ago
Jesus never preached against gay sex
- Connor_Creegan 4y ago
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  - seba_dos1 4y ago
    The Bible says that Jesus did many things that, even if he actually existed, he certainly never did, so I think it's fair to say that Jesus the character from the Bible never defecated if it's not said anywhere that he did.
afandian 4y ago
It's because it's so specific in its targetting of a vulnerable minority group. If someone cheats on their spouse the problem is a betrayal of trust between two people. It's part of a complex web of obligations, urges, and everything else that happens in a relationship. It's not nearly as simple as someone expressing their sexuality.
PuppyTailWags 4y ago
It's inconsistent in that it discriminates against a group of people with an undue burden that they can never have a loving, passionate, sexual relationship with adults they feel attraction towards. This is a bit like saying both the wealthy and the poor have equal access to homelessness, and therefore making homelessness a crime punishable with death applies fairly to all classes.
- jondeval 4y ago
  I think you are correct in emphasizing that the burden of the Church's teaching on chastity does not fall equally on all groups of people. But it should be stressed that this is no way a consequence a specific teaching that targets people with same-sex attraction. The root cause of the trouble is the fact that the Catholic Church has consistently taught something that is always counter-cultural, difficult, and even quite radical. Namely that the only proper place for sexual intimacy is within a life long bond between one man and one woman for the purpose of raising children.
  - afandian 4y ago
    Whatever the pseudo-logic and precedence, these views have a real effect on real people. The intent is surely secondary to the harm?
  - foldr 4y ago
    >But it should be stressed that this is no way a consequence a specific teaching that targets people with same-sex attraction. The Catholic Church teaches that gay sex is an act of 'grave depravity' and that same-sex attraction is 'intrinsically disordered'. How is that not a specific teaching that targets 'people with same-sex attraction'? http://www.catholic-catechism.com/ccc_2357.htm http://www.catholic-catechism.com/ccc_2357.htm
    - jondeval 4y ago
      Of course the Church has a well-known teaching with regard to this activity. Just like the Church has a specific teaching about artificial contraception. So the Church obviously says specific things about specific things. The point is that the identical moral reasoning process is being applied consistently to all people, namely, sexual activity is to be avoided outside of a marriage open to children. Gay people are not being targeted by some sort of religious moral carve-out.

Tagbert 4y ago

Jesus never preached against gay sex

Connor_Creegan 4y ago
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- seba_dos1 4y ago
  The Bible says that Jesus did many things that, even if he actually existed, he certainly never did, so I think it's fair to say that Jesus the character from the Bible never defecated if it's not said anywhere that he did.

afandian 4y ago

It's because it's so specific in its targetting of a vulnerable minority group. If someone cheats on their spouse the problem is a betrayal of trust between two people. It's part of a complex web of obligations, urges, and everything else that happens in a relationship. It's not nearly as simple as someone expressing their sexuality.

PuppyTailWags 4y ago

It's inconsistent in that it discriminates against a group of people with an undue burden that they can never have a loving, passionate, sexual relationship with adults they feel attraction towards. This is a bit like saying both the wealthy and the poor have equal access to homelessness, and therefore making homelessness a crime punishable with death applies fairly to all classes.

jondeval 4y ago
I think you are correct in emphasizing that the burden of the Church's teaching on chastity does not fall equally on all groups of people. But it should be stressed that this is no way a consequence a specific teaching that targets people with same-sex attraction. The root cause of the trouble is the fact that the Catholic Church has consistently taught something that is always counter-cultural, difficult, and even quite radical. Namely that the only proper place for sexual intimacy is within a life long bond between one man and one woman for the purpose of raising children.
- afandian 4y ago
  Whatever the pseudo-logic and precedence, these views have a real effect on real people. The intent is surely secondary to the harm?
- foldr 4y ago
  >But it should be stressed that this is no way a consequence a specific teaching that targets people with same-sex attraction. The Catholic Church teaches that gay sex is an act of 'grave depravity' and that same-sex attraction is 'intrinsically disordered'. How is that not a specific teaching that targets 'people with same-sex attraction'? http://www.catholic-catechism.com/ccc_2357.htm http://www.catholic-catechism.com/ccc_2357.htm
  - jondeval 4y ago
    Of course the Church has a well-known teaching with regard to this activity. Just like the Church has a specific teaching about artificial contraception. So the Church obviously says specific things about specific things. The point is that the identical moral reasoning process is being applied consistently to all people, namely, sexual activity is to be avoided outside of a marriage open to children. Gay people are not being targeted by some sort of religious moral carve-out.