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People will deforest their surroundings and burn wood to keep warm.

by finnh 4y ago

kelseyfrog 4y ago
This has the same energy as saying, "If we ban nukes, then people will just TNT each other."
- finnh 4y ago
  You think? People have to keep warm; they don't have to bomb each other. Anyway Europe is trying this wood instead of coal thing right now: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/07/world/europe/eu-logging-wood-pellets.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/07/world/europe/...
londons_explore 4y ago
Which is probably less harmful than burning oil. At least that forest can regrow in 50 years, whereas the oil will take millions of years to reform.
- finnh 4y ago
  Yes, burning wood may be more sustainable in that lens. Whether it is less harmful is orthogonal. Heat pumps are efficient in ways that wood fires cannot be, for example, so oil -> electricity -> heat pump may well be far better for the atmosphere than "burn some wood".
- nick__m 4y ago
  According to The Guardian wood produces more CO2 than other combustible per unit of heat¹. It also produces as much if not more soot than burning coal and a quantity of NOx and SOx comparable to the combustion of natural gaz.² It also produces copious amount of creosote a substance known to cause cancer to workers in wood treatment facilities.³ Mature trees that have reached a slower growth phase are better used as construction material, that way the carbon is sequestered for a long time and younger faster growing trees that replace them can transform CO2 again. 1) https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/mar/01/pollutionwatch-wood-burning-is-not-climate-friendly https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/mar/01/pollutio... 2) https://wood-energy.extension.org/what-are-the-air-emissions-of-burning-wood/ https://wood-energy.extension.org/what-are-the-air-emissions... 3) https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used-pesticide-products/creosote https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used-pesticide-products/creo...
- zaroth 4y ago
  It is not. Heating and cooking with wood is absolutely deadly, particularly because by definition it’s done, on average, by the poorest households in structures without proper ventilation.

People will deforest their surroundings and burn wood to keep warm.

by finnh 4y ago

People will deforest their surroundings and burn wood to keep warm.

kelseyfrog 4y ago

This has the same energy as saying, "If we ban nukes, then people will just TNT each other."

finnh 4y ago
You think? People have to keep warm; they don't have to bomb each other. Anyway Europe is trying this wood instead of coal thing right now: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/07/world/europe/eu-logging-wood-pellets.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/07/world/europe/...

londons_explore 4y ago

Which is probably less harmful than burning oil. At least that forest can regrow in 50 years, whereas the oil will take millions of years to reform.

finnh 4y ago
Yes, burning wood may be more sustainable in that lens. Whether it is less harmful is orthogonal. Heat pumps are efficient in ways that wood fires cannot be, for example, so oil -> electricity -> heat pump may well be far better for the atmosphere than "burn some wood".
nick__m 4y ago
According to The Guardian wood produces more CO2 than other combustible per unit of heat¹. It also produces as much if not more soot than burning coal and a quantity of NOx and SOx comparable to the combustion of natural gaz.² It also produces copious amount of creosote a substance known to cause cancer to workers in wood treatment facilities.³ Mature trees that have reached a slower growth phase are better used as construction material, that way the carbon is sequestered for a long time and younger faster growing trees that replace them can transform CO2 again. 1) https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/mar/01/pollutionwatch-wood-burning-is-not-climate-friendly https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/mar/01/pollutio... 2) https://wood-energy.extension.org/what-are-the-air-emissions-of-burning-wood/ https://wood-energy.extension.org/what-are-the-air-emissions... 3) https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used-pesticide-products/creosote https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used-pesticide-products/creo...
zaroth 4y ago
It is not. Heating and cooking with wood is absolutely deadly, particularly because by definition it’s done, on average, by the poorest households in structures without proper ventilation.