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Your negation is way too strong, an ever-growing number of people do, in fact, take their personal footprint into account for every decision, my family and myse
by mrpopo 4y ago
Your negation is way too strong, an ever-growing number of people do, in fact, take their personal footprint into account for every decision, my family and myself included.
I don't know about your anecdotal joke about some German activists flying 20k miles in half a year, but it's also a fact that flygskam is growing, that people who can afford it reportedly take a train even when it's slower, and that airlines are looking into carbon offsets. Another anecdote, my local XR group has a car pooling mailing list to make sure they attend all demonstrations in a convenient, low-carbon manner.
The math is simple, every liter of fuel kept in the ground will slow down global warming. There is no "threshold" that we will reach at which point all humanity is doomed.
- nostromo123 4y agoHis "anecdotal joke" is fact and was in the German speaking news, just like the "anecdote" about the activists who blocked the street to protest cars after arriving in, you guessed it, a car of their own! They are hypocrites who make life hard for others by preaching water and drinking heavily wine, as it were.
- mrpopo 4y agoI am not contradicting him. I am sure you understand that these cases make headlines more easily because of the shock-value, and that all other activists who are not doing that are not making it into the news. I am also sure you understand that seeing some hypocrites preaching water while drinking wine should not stop you from reducing your alcohol intake, as you know it's unhealthy regardless.
- luckylion 4y agoIt's not about uncovering hypocrites (though I do believe it's important to do so, lies are destroying society), it's about managing expectations. There are giant gaps between what humans a) believe to be true, b) do individually and c) say they believe and do. You can get people to say that they believe some action is necessary, but it's rare to see actual meaningful action that actually impacts them (it's easy to say "I'm fine with outlawing meat" if you don't like meat for example, it's very different if you happen to enjoy meat). My point is that it's unreasonable to expect average people to take "the big picture" into account for individual decisions (e.g. buying car, or taking a vacation away from home, or having children, or changing their diet), and all you can expect from doing so is disappointment over how uncommitted people are.