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I don't know if this is serious or not. Maybe it's a Bay Area thing? People getting very used to having their windows smashed and such without any recourse? But

I don't know if this is serious or not. Maybe it's a Bay Area thing? People getting very used to having their windows smashed and such without any recourse? But 'round these parts, people don't just stand around watching their life and livelihood get messed with.

CalRobert 4y ago
Yes, I am serious. And I live in Ireland (though I originally hail from northern California) What will you do? Are you going to assault people? Murder them? Report them to the police? Genuinely curious. I don't know what I'd do in that scenario. Probably yell at them and then get out the air compressor. Your SUV harms everyone around you, yet nobody assaults you or threatens you for it.
- nsxwolf 4y ago
  I wouldn't murder them. I wouldn't report them to the police because they likely wouldn't even come out. The flip side to that coin is that the police also won't come out to investigate a little rough play. If I let the air out of someone's tires, I would absolutely be watching my back. I wouldn't expect a meek response. Incidentally, in most of the US, some amount of non-lethal force is allowed in the defense of real or personal property.
  - dagw 4y ago
    I wouldn't murder them. I wouldn't report them to the police So what _would_ you do? Shoot them in the leg? Beat them with a baseball bat? Punch them in the face? Shove them around a bit? Shout at them and then go home and fantasize about shooting them?
    - volkk 4y ago
      getting punched in the face is an appropriate response for deflating someone's tire and causing them to miss work or something. actions have consequences. by the way, even if i were the person doing activism, i would assume risk and assume that if someone caught me messing with their car, i would probably risk some sort of bodily damage. i wouldn't go into the situation with some imaginary "im doing this for us all therefore you'll understand and let me do this peacefully" type of muck
      - CalRobert 4y ago
        What would be the appropriate response to putting exhaust gases in other people's lungs?
        volkk 4y ago
        nothing illegal is currently happening with SUVs. whereas the other thing IS illegal. full stop. so the appropriate response would have to be something short of an ingenious campaign or tactics to gut the car lobbying industry in the USA. probably unofficially "electing" someone smart with industry experience and leadership abilities to think about these issues. a union leader of sorts. you need someone to congregate people. then you get them to create voting campaigns for certain politicians who are willing to break apart the car industry's grasp on just about everything in this country. then, you build marketing campaigns, you hire your own lobbyists who are maybe crowdfunded or have private interest from more liberal private donors, i dunno. literally anything is better than having your citizens go and screw up other citizen's property. nothing will change this way, i can guarantee you that.
- vel0city 4y ago
  FWIW, its not just some minor inconvenience. The rims resting on flat tires can damage the sidewall, potentially radically reducing the life of the tire or ruining the tire completely. Its not just some harmless activism, it can cause some real property damage. Tires aren't cheap.
  - za3faran 4y ago
    Not just property. Imagine the car owner has an emergency and needs to go or transport his family to the hospital. They will have blood on their hands.

CalRobert 4y ago

Yes, I am serious. And I live in Ireland (though I originally hail from northern California) What will you do? Are you going to assault people? Murder them? Report them to the police? Genuinely curious. I don't know what I'd do in that scenario. Probably yell at them and then get out the air compressor. Your SUV harms everyone around you, yet nobody assaults you or threatens you for it.

nsxwolf 4y ago
I wouldn't murder them. I wouldn't report them to the police because they likely wouldn't even come out. The flip side to that coin is that the police also won't come out to investigate a little rough play. If I let the air out of someone's tires, I would absolutely be watching my back. I wouldn't expect a meek response. Incidentally, in most of the US, some amount of non-lethal force is allowed in the defense of real or personal property.
- dagw 4y ago
  I wouldn't murder them. I wouldn't report them to the police So what _would_ you do? Shoot them in the leg? Beat them with a baseball bat? Punch them in the face? Shove them around a bit? Shout at them and then go home and fantasize about shooting them?
  - volkk 4y ago
    getting punched in the face is an appropriate response for deflating someone's tire and causing them to miss work or something. actions have consequences. by the way, even if i were the person doing activism, i would assume risk and assume that if someone caught me messing with their car, i would probably risk some sort of bodily damage. i wouldn't go into the situation with some imaginary "im doing this for us all therefore you'll understand and let me do this peacefully" type of muck
    - CalRobert 4y ago
      What would be the appropriate response to putting exhaust gases in other people's lungs?
      - volkk 4y ago
        nothing illegal is currently happening with SUVs. whereas the other thing IS illegal. full stop. so the appropriate response would have to be something short of an ingenious campaign or tactics to gut the car lobbying industry in the USA. probably unofficially "electing" someone smart with industry experience and leadership abilities to think about these issues. a union leader of sorts. you need someone to congregate people. then you get them to create voting campaigns for certain politicians who are willing to break apart the car industry's grasp on just about everything in this country. then, you build marketing campaigns, you hire your own lobbyists who are maybe crowdfunded or have private interest from more liberal private donors, i dunno. literally anything is better than having your citizens go and screw up other citizen's property. nothing will change this way, i can guarantee you that.
vel0city 4y ago
FWIW, its not just some minor inconvenience. The rims resting on flat tires can damage the sidewall, potentially radically reducing the life of the tire or ruining the tire completely. Its not just some harmless activism, it can cause some real property damage. Tires aren't cheap.
- za3faran 4y ago
  Not just property. Imagine the car owner has an emergency and needs to go or transport his family to the hospital. They will have blood on their hands.