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Giving people living in generational poverty a handout is the BEST way to keep them enslaved on government largesse. You need to take that money and invest in t

Giving people living in generational poverty a handout is the BEST way to keep them enslaved on government largesse. You need to take that money and invest in their neighborhoods and lift the entire neighborhood out of poverty by educating them. My God, how many eons is the saying "Give a man a fish..." been around? Yet the best idea we still have is to hand money out to absolve ourselves of collective guilt? Look at San Francisco. Their homelessness budget is over $600 million a year, and yet, homelessness is the WORST its ever been. That's because homelessness "activists" keep the homeless as farm animals, living in homelessness without actually trying to help them elevate themselves. Look at the open drug markets and free access to drugs and needles they have. This is all to keep them enslaved in drugs and homeless without trying to help them. Because if they solve the problem of homelessness, they won't have jobs anymore. They are like the pharmaceutical industry except at the grassroots level.

MSFT_Edging 4y ago
Poverty is cyclical. It continues because it's expensive to be poor, and one road block multiplies to many roadblocks. You're upset about the SF homelessness budget and homelessness activists, but what is your solution? break up homeless camps and throw all their earthly possessions into a dumpster, then tell them to "elevate themselves" at the shelter where they're more likely to be assaulted and stolen from? Or maybe send as many to prison as you can to "teach them a lesson"? Can you point to a study where safe injection sites make drug problems worse? Can you point to anything where its physically possible to "pull oneself up by their bootstraps"? Look, I get it, you don't like looking at them, they make you feel bad, you don't want to see them as human. But you can't just solve poverty by telling the diseffected masses to become an entrepreneur.
- prottog 4y ago
  You're attributing a lot of intent to the GP ("you don't want to see them as human") that wasn't written. I don't think there's anything wrong in asking what kind of results the nearly $700m that San Francisco has budgeted for the homeless has gotten the city, and why the idea persists that more money would alleviate the problem. It's ipso facto sensible that giving people addicted to drugs an upside to continue their addiction (i.e. a safe place to consume said drugs) and no downside (i.e. no threat of jail time) will make them in fact continue to be addicted and unable to become productive members of society. If you're asking for studies, it's incumbent upon you to prove why it would be otherwise.
insane_dreamer 4y ago
> Giving people living in generational poverty a handout is the BEST way to keep them enslaved on government largesse. in some cases that may be true; but UBI trials have also shown that they make a huge difference in people lives. It's not just the jobless/homeless, it's the working poor.

MSFT_Edging 4y ago

Poverty is cyclical. It continues because it's expensive to be poor, and one road block multiplies to many roadblocks. You're upset about the SF homelessness budget and homelessness activists, but what is your solution? break up homeless camps and throw all their earthly possessions into a dumpster, then tell them to "elevate themselves" at the shelter where they're more likely to be assaulted and stolen from? Or maybe send as many to prison as you can to "teach them a lesson"? Can you point to a study where safe injection sites make drug problems worse? Can you point to anything where its physically possible to "pull oneself up by their bootstraps"? Look, I get it, you don't like looking at them, they make you feel bad, you don't want to see them as human. But you can't just solve poverty by telling the diseffected masses to become an entrepreneur.

prottog 4y ago
You're attributing a lot of intent to the GP ("you don't want to see them as human") that wasn't written. I don't think there's anything wrong in asking what kind of results the nearly $700m that San Francisco has budgeted for the homeless has gotten the city, and why the idea persists that more money would alleviate the problem. It's ipso facto sensible that giving people addicted to drugs an upside to continue their addiction (i.e. a safe place to consume said drugs) and no downside (i.e. no threat of jail time) will make them in fact continue to be addicted and unable to become productive members of society. If you're asking for studies, it's incumbent upon you to prove why it would be otherwise.

insane_dreamer 4y ago

> Giving people living in generational poverty a handout is the BEST way to keep them enslaved on government largesse. in some cases that may be true; but UBI trials have also shown that they make a huge difference in people lives. It's not just the jobless/homeless, it's the working poor.