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Can you elaborate on what "cultures" don't value education and self-improvement?

by cmh89 4y ago

Beached 4y ago
i think he means gang culture
prottog 4y ago
As the other commenter replied, inner-city gang culture is a principal example that is destructive to so many children's futures. Even among groups that would be categorized together in the US, such as African-Americans, you can see a clear divided in outcomes between cultures; Nigerian-Americans, for example, have a higher average income than the US average, and nearly twice that of Somali-Americans. Average incomes for black people who immigrated to the US is considerably higher than those native-born. Or take Indian-Americans vs. Bangladeshi-Americans, whose original countries are next to each other and have comparable GDP per capita; yet the former group has an average income more than twice the latter. And you can imagine that whatever prejudices an Indian-American faces, a Bangladeshi-American faces equally. There's no evidence historically to suggest that cultural groups that value human capital differently should end up at similar levels of wealth over time.
- cmh89 4y ago
  >As the other commenter replied, inner-city gang culture is a principal example that is destructive to so many children's futures. Why do you think 'inner-city' gang culture develops? >Even among groups that would be categorized together in the US, such as African-Americans, you can see a clear divided in outcomes between cultures; Nigerian-Americans, for example, have a higher average income than the US average, and nearly twice that of Somali-Americans. What are the differences in immigration reason for these groups? I'm not familiar with Nigerian immigration, but Somalian immigration is driven by leaving strife and come as refugees. Is that the case for Nigerians? You can't judge how successful a culture is just because of their income, you have to know where they started and what resources they have access to. > Average incomes for black people who immigrated to the US is considerably higher than those native-born. It makes sense to me that people who can afford and have the qualifications needed to emigrate to the US will have better job prospects than people living in generational poverty and enduring systemic racism.
  - slowmovintarget 4y ago
    The world has seen actual systemic racism: apartheid in South Africa. Applying that term to 21st Century Western governments is ideological nonsense. Were there systemic racism, it would equally impact immigrant populations, but it doesn't. Some groups that come from differing cultures have differing rates of success though they share the same racial characteristics. This is also true for native groups in the U.S. The idea of systemic racism also fails to account for the poor who belong to the supposedly favored racial groups.
    - wootland 4y ago
      Systemic racism most certainly exists in the US. Not only was slavery widespread, there were never any reparations to those enslaved (or Native Americans). There are Black people alive today who existed prior to having their civil rights legally encoded in the 1960s. Our capitalist system is an illusion built on the back of "free" land and labor and those who had their land and labor stripped from them have never been made whole. It's pretty much the definition of systemic racism, just like apartheid in South Africa and Israel.
    - cmh89 4y ago
      You should look up intersectionality! It would help you understand the very real presence of systemic racism! Systemic racism doesn't mean all white people will be rich or all Black people will be poor. Systemic racism frequently intersects with poverty, educational attainment, networks, and other factors. The type of person who has the resources to emigrate legally to the United States at this point in time is generally going to have higher educational attainment and the income that comes with it than native born people.

Can you elaborate on what "cultures" don't value education and self-improvement?

by cmh89 4y ago

Can you elaborate on what "cultures" don't value education and self-improvement?

Beached 4y ago

i think he means gang culture

prottog 4y ago

As the other commenter replied, inner-city gang culture is a principal example that is destructive to so many children's futures. Even among groups that would be categorized together in the US, such as African-Americans, you can see a clear divided in outcomes between cultures; Nigerian-Americans, for example, have a higher average income than the US average, and nearly twice that of Somali-Americans. Average incomes for black people who immigrated to the US is considerably higher than those native-born. Or take Indian-Americans vs. Bangladeshi-Americans, whose original countries are next to each other and have comparable GDP per capita; yet the former group has an average income more than twice the latter. And you can imagine that whatever prejudices an Indian-American faces, a Bangladeshi-American faces equally. There's no evidence historically to suggest that cultural groups that value human capital differently should end up at similar levels of wealth over time.

cmh89 4y ago
>As the other commenter replied, inner-city gang culture is a principal example that is destructive to so many children's futures. Why do you think 'inner-city' gang culture develops? >Even among groups that would be categorized together in the US, such as African-Americans, you can see a clear divided in outcomes between cultures; Nigerian-Americans, for example, have a higher average income than the US average, and nearly twice that of Somali-Americans. What are the differences in immigration reason for these groups? I'm not familiar with Nigerian immigration, but Somalian immigration is driven by leaving strife and come as refugees. Is that the case for Nigerians? You can't judge how successful a culture is just because of their income, you have to know where they started and what resources they have access to. > Average incomes for black people who immigrated to the US is considerably higher than those native-born. It makes sense to me that people who can afford and have the qualifications needed to emigrate to the US will have better job prospects than people living in generational poverty and enduring systemic racism.
- slowmovintarget 4y ago
  The world has seen actual systemic racism: apartheid in South Africa. Applying that term to 21st Century Western governments is ideological nonsense. Were there systemic racism, it would equally impact immigrant populations, but it doesn't. Some groups that come from differing cultures have differing rates of success though they share the same racial characteristics. This is also true for native groups in the U.S. The idea of systemic racism also fails to account for the poor who belong to the supposedly favored racial groups.
  - wootland 4y ago
    Systemic racism most certainly exists in the US. Not only was slavery widespread, there were never any reparations to those enslaved (or Native Americans). There are Black people alive today who existed prior to having their civil rights legally encoded in the 1960s. Our capitalist system is an illusion built on the back of "free" land and labor and those who had their land and labor stripped from them have never been made whole. It's pretty much the definition of systemic racism, just like apartheid in South Africa and Israel.
  - cmh89 4y ago
    You should look up intersectionality! It would help you understand the very real presence of systemic racism! Systemic racism doesn't mean all white people will be rich or all Black people will be poor. Systemic racism frequently intersects with poverty, educational attainment, networks, and other factors. The type of person who has the resources to emigrate legally to the United States at this point in time is generally going to have higher educational attainment and the income that comes with it than native born people.