I agree with both sides on this point. Responsibility lies with the individual AND the system (society). Edwards Deming said "A bad system will beat a good per

I agree with both sides on this point. Responsibility lies with the individual AND the system (society). Edwards Deming said "A bad system will beat a good person every time", but I think history has shown exceptional people can overcome bad systems. The problem is most people (by definition) are not exceptional. There is a persuasive lecture given by Darren McGarvey that makes this point more eloquently: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001g2zf https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001g2zf