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> Words have meanings. Yes. Here's the meaning of "domestic violence" according to some authoritative sources: - - - https://www.un.org/en/coronavirus/what-i

by thiht 4y ago

> Words have meanings. Yes. Here's the meaning of "domestic violence" according to some authoritative sources: - - - https://www.un.org/en/coronavirus/what-is-domestic-abuse https://www.un.org/en/coronavirus/what-is-domestic-abuse > Domestic abuse, also called "domestic violence" [...]. Abuse is physical, sexual, emotional, economic or psychological actions or threats of actions that influence another person. - - - https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/violence-against-women https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/violence-ag... > Intimate partner violence refers to behaviour by an intimate partner or ex-partner that causes physical, sexual or psychological harm, including physical aggression, sexual coercion, psychological abuse and controlling behaviours - - - https://www.justice.gov/ovw/domestic-violence https://www.justice.gov/ovw/domestic-violence > Domestic violence can be physical, sexual, emotional, economic, psychological, or technological actions or threats of actions or other patterns of coercive behavior that influence another person within an intimate partner relationship - - - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence > It can assume multiple forms, including physical, verbal, emotional, economic, religious, reproductive, or sexual abuse.

nailer 4y ago
Yes. The misuse of terms you've shown is exactly the concern I and other victims of domestic violence have. Meanwhile, here the Oxford English Dictionary: violence, n. 1. a. The exercise of physical force so as to inflict injury on, or cause damage to, persons or property; action or conduct characterized by this; treatment or usage tending to cause bodily injury or forcibly interfering with personal freedom. You are indirectly supporting domestic violence by manipulating the definition of violence to include non-violent offences. (separately: Wikipedia is not a source at all, let alone an authoritative one) Again, since you didn't address this: claiming things that aren’t violent are violent steals resources - not just awareness but potentially money, police time and medical attention from victims of domestic violence.
- jstarfish 4y ago
  I'm sorry to hear about your experience, but the definition you yourself quoted plainly states: > treatment or usage tending to cause bodily injury or forcibly interfering with personal freedom. Domestic violence comprises more than just battery by someone who happens to be a family member.
  - nailer 4y ago
    > forcibly interfering with personal freedom. Forcibly. If there's no force there's no violence. Psychologically abusing someone does not involve the use of force. > Domestic violence comprises more than just battery by someone who happens to be a family member. Agreed, thankfully nobody defined in the conversation defined domestic violence this way. Again: domestic violence most include violence, i.e. the use of force. Why are people trying to hard to redefine words?
    - jstarfish 4y ago
      > Forcibly. If there's no force there's no violence. I get where you're coming from but enough men figured out that when wife-beating became illegal, they could continue to torment their wives and exes through passive-aggressive, explicitly nonviolent acts enough that the laws were expanded and the definition changed. The redefinition happened at least 20 years ago and has since propagated across multiple disciplines (law enforcement and psychology inclusive). Even publishing revenge porn falls under domestic violence statutes now. Yes, it no longer meets the strictly-literal definition of violence. It is what it is. Rather than arguing it here, consider adapting to the times or taking your grievance to the Department of Justice (https://www.justice.gov/ovw/domestic-violence https://www.justice.gov/ovw/domestic-violence): > Domestic violence is a pattern of abusive behavior in any relationship that is used by one partner to gain or maintain power and control over another intimate partner. Domestic violence can be physical, sexual, emotional, economic, psychological, or technological actions or threats of actions or other patterns of coercive behavior that influence another person within an intimate partner relationship. This includes any behaviors that intimidate, manipulate, humiliate, isolate, frighten, terrorize, coerce, threaten, blame, hurt, injure, or wound someone.

by thiht 4y ago

nailer 4y ago

Yes. The misuse of terms you've shown is exactly the concern I and other victims of domestic violence have. Meanwhile, here the Oxford English Dictionary: violence, n. 1. a. The exercise of physical force so as to inflict injury on, or cause damage to, persons or property; action or conduct characterized by this; treatment or usage tending to cause bodily injury or forcibly interfering with personal freedom. You are indirectly supporting domestic violence by manipulating the definition of violence to include non-violent offences. (separately: Wikipedia is not a source at all, let alone an authoritative one) Again, since you didn't address this: claiming things that aren’t violent are violent steals resources - not just awareness but potentially money, police time and medical attention from victims of domestic violence.

jstarfish 4y ago
I'm sorry to hear about your experience, but the definition you yourself quoted plainly states: > treatment or usage tending to cause bodily injury or forcibly interfering with personal freedom. Domestic violence comprises more than just battery by someone who happens to be a family member.
- nailer 4y ago
  > forcibly interfering with personal freedom. Forcibly. If there's no force there's no violence. Psychologically abusing someone does not involve the use of force. > Domestic violence comprises more than just battery by someone who happens to be a family member. Agreed, thankfully nobody defined in the conversation defined domestic violence this way. Again: domestic violence most include violence, i.e. the use of force. Why are people trying to hard to redefine words?
  - jstarfish 4y ago
    > Forcibly. If there's no force there's no violence. I get where you're coming from but enough men figured out that when wife-beating became illegal, they could continue to torment their wives and exes through passive-aggressive, explicitly nonviolent acts enough that the laws were expanded and the definition changed. The redefinition happened at least 20 years ago and has since propagated across multiple disciplines (law enforcement and psychology inclusive). Even publishing revenge porn falls under domestic violence statutes now. Yes, it no longer meets the strictly-literal definition of violence. It is what it is. Rather than arguing it here, consider adapting to the times or taking your grievance to the Department of Justice (https://www.justice.gov/ovw/domestic-violence https://www.justice.gov/ovw/domestic-violence): > Domestic violence is a pattern of abusive behavior in any relationship that is used by one partner to gain or maintain power and control over another intimate partner. Domestic violence can be physical, sexual, emotional, economic, psychological, or technological actions or threats of actions or other patterns of coercive behavior that influence another person within an intimate partner relationship. This includes any behaviors that intimidate, manipulate, humiliate, isolate, frighten, terrorize, coerce, threaten, blame, hurt, injure, or wound someone.