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It isn't overreach if you have a warrant. Seriously, police (and agencies like the FBI) already abuse any power they have and should have more oversight. These
by Broken_Hippo 4y ago
It isn't overreach if you have a warrant. Seriously, police (and agencies like the FBI) already abuse any power they have and should have more oversight. These government agencies already undermine democracy - usually in other countries, though - and I'm not sure of any example of this sort of thing being purchased to undermine democracy (except at government levels). Sure, it could be used like that, but folks have monitored locations of assassination targets long, long before we ever had such technology.
All that said, I don't think this sort of information should be for sale to anyone. If the police agencies actually need such a thing, they should have limited scope and a warrant. The larger the scope, the more folks should have to sign off on the warrant. Police - because of their power - shouldn't have free access to such things even if the criminals have them. Following "rule of law" doesn't mean folks are doing immoral or wrong things as the laws aren't always just - and often, the methods of change include illegal things, hopefully nonviolent.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago> police (and agencies like the FBI) already abuse any power they have Do you know anybody who works in law enforcement? I do and they've told me that if they screw around and don't follow procedure or don't get a warrant then the perp will walk.
- Clubber 4y agoYou are assuming they violate these rights out of a need to seek justice. Most of the times it's ego or just bad police. There are hundreds of examples; so much these channels reporting on them have a lot of content. Junkyard News: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMCSd9ZNL0nshOhXwtfIJBA https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMCSd9ZNL0nshOhXwtfIJBA Indisputable: https://www.youtube.com/@IndisputableTYT https://www.youtube.com/@IndisputableTYT There are many, many other channels, most of them local to where the person lives. It's gotten so bad an entire industry has spawned reporting on it. I have hope though, now that all this is out and body cameras are almost everywhere, you're starting to see prosecution of some of these bad police.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y agoAlright. Hundreds of examples. Hundreds sounds like a big number. How many LEOs are there in the United States? A quick Google search says there is ~670,000. Therefore hundreds is a relatively small number. Especially when many act like a majority of police are corrupt and bad rule breakers.
- Clubber 4y agoI'm glad it doesn't bother you, you seem to be ok with it, but it sure bothers me. I don't like being afraid of police, particularly when I don't break laws. There's some egregious stuff going on, and most of the time it gets covered up. I hope it doesn't happen to you or anyone in your family.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y agoIt doesn't bother me because it's statistically insignificant, however I am not okay with it. They can and should do better.
- LatteLazy 4y agoOne of the issues with clandestine programs is you won't KNOW they undermined democracy at home for years (if ever). That's why they're banned. Generally I agree, though "It isn't overreach if you have a warrant." is (forgive me) wishful thinking. If real courts with real judges were considering a real right to privacy that would be true. But we are well past that. And that's without considerations for things like Parallel Construction...
- Broken_Hippo 4y agoThat is true about clandestine programs: This has little to do with current tech, though, and of course folks invested are going to use the tools of today to do it today. I know overreach still happens and I truly think we could do better - but I'd rather have it than not.