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1) Contemporary immigrants generally come from countries with lower IQs and 2) they reproduce more. The web is full of citations of what I said should you requi

by favaq 4y ago

1) Contemporary immigrants generally come from countries with lower IQs and 2) they reproduce more. The web is full of citations of what I said should you require them.

piva00 4y ago
I'm not here to do the research for you, to foster the discussion I'd like to have some sources, dumping the work on me for finding your sources is extremely tiresome. Provide something to foster the discussion, I'm not here to do your job.
- favaq 4y ago
  I'm not here to do any job, I'm not getting paid and I am not going to make any effort to convince you of the truth. If you want to be wrong about it that's your prerogative.
  - piva00 4y ago
    You are making an extraordinary claim, you need extraordinary evidence to support it. Given that you're entrenched into that position and not able to provide me anything to support why you believe it's "the truth" I'm entitled to say: you are full of bullshit. In a discussion forum it's your job to provide basis to your arguments, it's unpaid but it's work and you should do it if you really want to have a discussion. If you just want to state bullshit, then please do not participate :)
  - ben_w 4y ago
    You're asking people to engage with your confirmation bias. Also, given how search engines personalise results, what people are most likely to find is what corresponds to their confirmation biases, unless they go to extra trouble to pop their search bubbles, in which case google's AI will decide they now want stuff that agrees with whatever they end up finding next. Same reason why when I search for "mouse" I don't get the animal, and "bluetooth" doesn't get me a Viking.
MadSudaca 4y ago
It's doubtful whether offsprings of immigrants will have the same IQ as their parents when they're raised in a different environment that, in theory, is more conducive to a person's intellectual growth. Assuming that the immigrated from a country with poor infrastructure and opportunities. How many "ethnical" groups that immigrated to the US were once regarded as "inferior" and now are fully integrated?
- mantas 4y ago
  Early child development depends on parents a lot. For better or worse. Especially if parents are against the new environment and double-down on their values. E.g. pro-education parents moving to not-so-pro-education locations. Their kids probably won't be less smart since parents will do their best to make sure kids get best education, including after-hours at home.
ben_w 4y ago
That's the first I've heard of #1 (this particular article about the USA and thus your claim is about Mexicans), and if it's so easy to find reliable citations why haven't you given them? Second, this effect also happens to the kids of higher IQ parents. Here's a story from 2019 saying, essentially "The USA hasn't seen this yet but needs to watch out!": https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/iq-rates-are-dropping-many-developed-countries-doesn-t-bode-ncna1008576 https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/iq-rates-are-dropping-... My personal bet is the cause is CO2, as higher concentrations have been shown to impair cognition.

by favaq 4y ago

1) Contemporary immigrants generally come from countries with lower IQs and 2) they reproduce more. The web is full of citations of what I said should you require them.

piva00 4y ago

I'm not here to do the research for you, to foster the discussion I'd like to have some sources, dumping the work on me for finding your sources is extremely tiresome. Provide something to foster the discussion, I'm not here to do your job.

favaq 4y ago
I'm not here to do any job, I'm not getting paid and I am not going to make any effort to convince you of the truth. If you want to be wrong about it that's your prerogative.
- piva00 4y ago
  You are making an extraordinary claim, you need extraordinary evidence to support it. Given that you're entrenched into that position and not able to provide me anything to support why you believe it's "the truth" I'm entitled to say: you are full of bullshit. In a discussion forum it's your job to provide basis to your arguments, it's unpaid but it's work and you should do it if you really want to have a discussion. If you just want to state bullshit, then please do not participate :)
- ben_w 4y ago
  You're asking people to engage with your confirmation bias. Also, given how search engines personalise results, what people are most likely to find is what corresponds to their confirmation biases, unless they go to extra trouble to pop their search bubbles, in which case google's AI will decide they now want stuff that agrees with whatever they end up finding next. Same reason why when I search for "mouse" I don't get the animal, and "bluetooth" doesn't get me a Viking.

MadSudaca 4y ago

It's doubtful whether offsprings of immigrants will have the same IQ as their parents when they're raised in a different environment that, in theory, is more conducive to a person's intellectual growth. Assuming that the immigrated from a country with poor infrastructure and opportunities. How many "ethnical" groups that immigrated to the US were once regarded as "inferior" and now are fully integrated?

mantas 4y ago
Early child development depends on parents a lot. For better or worse. Especially if parents are against the new environment and double-down on their values. E.g. pro-education parents moving to not-so-pro-education locations. Their kids probably won't be less smart since parents will do their best to make sure kids get best education, including after-hours at home.

ben_w 4y ago

That's the first I've heard of #1 (this particular article about the USA and thus your claim is about Mexicans), and if it's so easy to find reliable citations why haven't you given them? Second, this effect also happens to the kids of higher IQ parents. Here's a story from 2019 saying, essentially "The USA hasn't seen this yet but needs to watch out!": https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/iq-rates-are-dropping-many-developed-countries-doesn-t-bode-ncna1008576 https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/iq-rates-are-dropping-... My personal bet is the cause is CO2, as higher concentrations have been shown to impair cognition.