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You’re incorrect on both fronts 1. Some 2014 model S were retrofitted and subject to the recent recall. The news article simply said some model S were subject

by xyzcd 4y ago

You’re incorrect on both fronts 1. Some 2014 model S were retrofitted and subject to the recent recall. The news article simply said some model S were subject to a recent FSD recall. It did not say whether the one in the recent fatal accident was 2. Musk as recently as 2021 was bragging that “autopilot” specifically (not FSD) reduces crash rates by a “factor of 10” This is completely 100% untrue The stats Elon continues to tout currently about safety are a complete joke, and not normalized by road type, driver age, or condition It’s like telling someone drug A given to cohort 1 had no side effects, while drug B given to cohort B caused tons of bad effects, and leaving out the fact that cohort A is 20 year old men and cohort B is 95 year old men You’re not a victim. Please allow people to have normal discussions that are had about all cars.

ajross 4y ago
> 1. Some 2014 model S were retrofitted and subject to the recent recall. No, they weren't. That generation of cars can get a HW3 upgrade[1], but that's only offered to cars that purchased FSD. No FSD was installed on a 2014 vehicle, ergo no 2014 S's have HW3. Is it possible someone got an aftermarket part installed? Sure. Is it likely? Be real. It is correct for a journalist (or you) to say that this car was subject to the FSD recall? Absolutely not. > 2. Musk as recently as 2021 was bragging that “autopilot” specifically (not FSD) reduces crash rates by a “factor of 10” [...] This is completely 100% untrue They literally release a safety report with data to back that kind of thing up (honestly not sure which Musk statement you're talking about, you didn't cite, but the numbers are indeed in the order of magnitude range). Yelling about it in an HN comment from a 1-comment green account doesn't make it "100% untrue". [1] Edit: post-some-research, even that's not necessarily true. Apparently early S's lacked the camera mounting points and can't be upgraded for mechanical reasons. Exactly where the cutover happened isn't clear.

by xyzcd 4y ago

ajross 4y ago

> 1. Some 2014 model S were retrofitted and subject to the recent recall. No, they weren't. That generation of cars can get a HW3 upgrade[1], but that's only offered to cars that purchased FSD. No FSD was installed on a 2014 vehicle, ergo no 2014 S's have HW3. Is it possible someone got an aftermarket part installed? Sure. Is it likely? Be real. It is correct for a journalist (or you) to say that this car was subject to the FSD recall? Absolutely not. > 2. Musk as recently as 2021 was bragging that “autopilot” specifically (not FSD) reduces crash rates by a “factor of 10” [...] This is completely 100% untrue They literally release a safety report with data to back that kind of thing up (honestly not sure which Musk statement you're talking about, you didn't cite, but the numbers are indeed in the order of magnitude range). Yelling about it in an HN comment from a 1-comment green account doesn't make it "100% untrue". [1] Edit: post-some-research, even that's not necessarily true. Apparently early S's lacked the camera mounting points and can't be upgraded for mechanical reasons. Exactly where the cutover happened isn't clear.