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When I was a kid I had a toy electronics kit and one of the circuits was an AM radio that worked without batteries. A normal radio station signal is strong enou
by rom-antics 4y ago
When I was a kid I had a toy electronics kit and one of the circuits was an AM radio that worked without batteries. A normal radio station signal is strong enough to drive a pair of earbuds without any additional power. Since then I've always wondered if you could harvest that same radio energy to power other things without batteries, maybe even a Game Boy. There's electromagnetic radiation in the air all around us. And I'm sure you could build a Game Boy using today's tech that's much more power efficient than the ones from the 90s.
- knodi123 4y ago> I've always wondered if you could harvest that same radio energy to power other things without batteries That's how passive RFID tags work. The tag has a tiny little computer, and you hold it near a thing that emits an electric field that energizes it.
- pfannkuchen 4y agoI think the poster wants this to work without the “you hold it near a thing” part.
- mike256 4y agoBut it still works almost the same way. You hold it near a thing to get energy is mostly required because it works with very little power, let's say some milliwatts. Whereas old AM stations where sending in the range of megawatts.
- c12 4y agoThat broadcast power is required to provide range. Radio waves obey the inverse-square law: for every doubling of the distance from source you get four times less power. This is also why wireless power transmission at a distance isn't really viable.
- tootie 4y agoRFID can absolutely work at long range. Most applications don't by design because they don't want the data on the chip stolen. But there are applications that can read RFID from tens or hundreds of meters away.
- askvictor 4y agoNikola Tesla spent a good deal of his time working on wireless power. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_power_transfer#Tesla https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_power_transfer#Tesla
- StrangeATractor 4y agoI heard a tale in the days of yore where a radio station was not getting the range promised by the laws of physics. When they did some investigating they found an engineer that lived next door to the tower was syphoning power from the radio waves as part of a home experiment. I'm not qualified to determine the plausibility of this, but I hope it's true.
- atahanacar 4y agoCan you siphon power from the sun so other people can't get its radiation, without you covering the entire surface with something like a Dyson sphere?
- philistine 4y agoMr. Burns managed to do it.
- mike256 4y agoAre black holes allowed?
- Schroedingersat 4y agoIf your object is roughly the size of a wavelength or less, it can siphon off power that would be a few wavelengths away. So a bacterium might be able to annoy their neighbor. But that's about it. If the sun was in some kind of equilibrium with stuff around it (ie. There was a big mirror acting kinda analogously to a ground plane) you could effectively cast a shadow much bigger than yourself. But that's about it. Visible light is very small.
- Rebelgecko 4y agoIn moderation, isn't that a potential upside of space based solar farms?
- mock-possum 4y agoIt’s a nice ‘Edison vs Tesla’ type story - but I’m pretty skeptical that there’s any truth to it. It just doesn’t seem viable enough to bother doing, for how much of a hardware setup you’d need versus how much electricity you’d be ‘harvesting’, to the extent that it meaningfully impacts the signal range itself. Like unless this engineer built the Russian woodpecker array
- freitzkriesler2 4y agoYou can power florescent light bulbs underneath high voltage power lines IIRC.
- 0_____0 4y agoI've heard of AM radio being audible in non-electric structures, like an old hangar door. Some combination of geometry, metal surface condition (corrosion?), and proximity to a station.
- nimish 4y agoAll you need is a rectifying junction: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxhole_radio https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxhole_radio Primitive diodes.
- HideousKojima 4y agoPoorly shielded wires and speakers can pick up stations as well. My brother's cheap guitar amp would randomly pick up garbled bits of sound from radio stations (while not plugged into any power source)
- julian_sark 4y agoSoundBlaster / Cambridge SoundWorks set of subwoofer and satellite speakers with long wires did this, too. Freaked me out when I suddenly heard voices inside my apartment at night. Turned out it had suddenly started to pick up a radio talk program.
- Dalewyn 4y ago>Poorly shielded wires That's literally an antenna[1][2], actually. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopole_antenna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopole_antenna [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whip_antenna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whip_antenna
- alex_duf 4y agoThere's an anecdote of someone hearing voices, but it turned out to be AM radio. They found out it was the metal in two cavity filling that made the teeth vibrate and transmitted sound to their ear. Not sure if it's just an urban legend or legit, but I like that story.
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- unwind 4y agoThat sounds like the field of energy harvesting [1], specifically the "ambient radiation sources" category [2]. The page is ... not short, more people have been thinking about this! [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_harvesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_harvesting [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_harvesting#Ambient-radiation_sources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_harvesting#Ambient-radi...
- hackernewds 4y agoThat seems potentially influential for human health long term. Let alone radio waves are one of the weakest forms. We've since enveloped the planet with SpaceX satellites. Last I saw a gif, it was terrifying
- DeathArrow 4y agoFunny, but I thought about the same thing. I guess AM radio waves don't have a big amount of energy by the time they hit the receiver. I think Nicola Tesla experimented with sending energy wireless, at longer distances, over the air. I don't remember what his results were, but man, that guy was so ahead of its time.
- airbreather 4y agoI used to build crystal sets that would have two receivers in - one to harvest power from the strongest local station and then a second one that would take some of that power to bias up the detector diaode or to even use a germanium transistor to amplify the audio. The first receiver would be able to drive a loudspeaker through a transformer loud enough you could hear it across a quiet room, so some power there, but only milliwatts. I have wondered if these days with the zero volt FETS if there would be enough power for a regenerative receiver, some kind of negative resistance version seems most likely.
- flir 4y agoThere's an urban legend in the UK about a radio station having a dead spot in their signal. They send the boffins out to figure out what's going on, and they eventually track down someone who has filled his attic with coils of baling wire and is running his house lights off the radio station. (Yes, I know all the practical objections. It's an urban legend. I've seen variations involving BBC radio, TV broadcasts, submarine communications, overhead power lines, the VLF transmitter at Rugby, and a farmer using the energy to milk his cows).
- flir 4y agoOh - and a story that actually happened, in a similar vein: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device)
- mrguyorama 4y agoThe cool thing about The Thing is that it's not really an energy harvesting device, and has no active components. It is a purely passive modulator of a signal being transferred over the air!
- tootie 4y agoI still have a solar calculator. They were pretty common in the 90s. Similar principle to the Gameboy, but also the workload was a lot slower (no frame refreshes).