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So California, a state where slavery was never legal, is going to tax its citizens, many of whom were not in the country when slavery was legal in the south, an

So California, a state where slavery was never legal, is going to tax its citizens, many of whom were not in the country when slavery was legal in the south, and call it justice?

jackblemming 4y ago
America is very sick and likes performative art like this instead of actually helping people. Last I checked there's plenty of homeless people (of all ethnicities) who could use some real help in California. Future generations are going to get a real kick out of how sick it is on multiple levels.
- gotoeleven 4y ago
  California: hey this drug addicted mentally ill homeless guy says the only way to help him is to make it easier to do drugs, shoplift, and poop on the streets. I think we should give it a try!
eftychis 4y ago
The article talks specifically for California's sins related to Black slaves descendants -- using terminology in the article. I am also a bit confused. I had the impression that California never allowed slaves. I found this https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/historic-california-law-establishes-path-reparations-black-people-descendants-slaves-n1241627 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/historic-california-law... "California was founded as a free state, or a state where slavery was illegal, in 1850, yet several laws made significant allowances for residents to retain enslaved people so long as they lived in California temporarily or bought the slaves before statehood." But I don't see any specific legal references. And even then the article on the decision of the task force is hand wavy at best. So there were loopholes, but what is the extent and do the descendants have to somehow prove their ancestors lived in California? I mean thumbs up, but yeah, my ancestors were slaves and had to fight for their freedom, so where does California stand on that by this reasoning?
ashwagary 4y ago
>a state where slavery was never legal My understanding is California had massive slave plantations some run by the mormon church, and the state was a major beneficiary of land confiscation among other things. >many of whom were not in the country when slavery was legal The country has a massive outstanding debt to uncompensated laborers that built the economic foundation. You benefit from that labor upon arrival in the US. If you do not want to pay the debt for the privilige of being in the US, the easiest method is to turn in your passport and leave the country.
- adastra22 4y ago
  You need to check your source of facts.
  - ashwagary 4y ago
    >You need to check your source of facts. The facts are clear and pretty well documented. Here is the story of one such case... Biddy Mason was one of the richest people in California. She had to sue for her freedom from Mormon slavers and eventually became a famous real estate entrepreneur and philanthropist. "Biddy was among a number of enslaved people in the San Bernardino settlement. As part of the Compromise of 1850, California was admitted as a free state. Nevertheless, some migrants from the South, including Robert Smith, continued to bring enslaved people into the state. California's courts routinely ruled against the freedom claims of enslaved African Americans in support of slave owners" [0] "Slaveholders occupied the upper echelons of the Mormon hierarchy in San Bernardino....When Mormon slaveholders crossed the border into California, they entered a free state. California’s "Constitution of 1850 outlawed slavery, but its Legislature and courts, dominated by migrants from the South, defended coercive labor practices in the state. Well into the 1850s, the slaveholders of San Bernardino operated openly, free from legal interference." [1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biddy_Mason https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biddy_Mason [1] https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-01-19/san-bernardino-mormon-slavery https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-01-19/san-bernard...

So California, a state where slavery was never legal, is going to tax its citizens, many of whom were not in the country when slavery was legal in the south, and call it justice?

jackblemming 4y ago

America is very sick and likes performative art like this instead of actually helping people. Last I checked there's plenty of homeless people (of all ethnicities) who could use some real help in California. Future generations are going to get a real kick out of how sick it is on multiple levels.

gotoeleven 4y ago
California: hey this drug addicted mentally ill homeless guy says the only way to help him is to make it easier to do drugs, shoplift, and poop on the streets. I think we should give it a try!

eftychis 4y ago

The article talks specifically for California's sins related to Black slaves descendants -- using terminology in the article. I am also a bit confused. I had the impression that California never allowed slaves. I found this https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/historic-california-law-establishes-path-reparations-black-people-descendants-slaves-n1241627 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/historic-california-law... "California was founded as a free state, or a state where slavery was illegal, in 1850, yet several laws made significant allowances for residents to retain enslaved people so long as they lived in California temporarily or bought the slaves before statehood." But I don't see any specific legal references. And even then the article on the decision of the task force is hand wavy at best. So there were loopholes, but what is the extent and do the descendants have to somehow prove their ancestors lived in California? I mean thumbs up, but yeah, my ancestors were slaves and had to fight for their freedom, so where does California stand on that by this reasoning?

ashwagary 4y ago

>a state where slavery was never legal My understanding is California had massive slave plantations some run by the mormon church, and the state was a major beneficiary of land confiscation among other things. >many of whom were not in the country when slavery was legal The country has a massive outstanding debt to uncompensated laborers that built the economic foundation. You benefit from that labor upon arrival in the US. If you do not want to pay the debt for the privilige of being in the US, the easiest method is to turn in your passport and leave the country.

adastra22 4y ago
You need to check your source of facts.
- ashwagary 4y ago
  >You need to check your source of facts. The facts are clear and pretty well documented. Here is the story of one such case... Biddy Mason was one of the richest people in California. She had to sue for her freedom from Mormon slavers and eventually became a famous real estate entrepreneur and philanthropist. "Biddy was among a number of enslaved people in the San Bernardino settlement. As part of the Compromise of 1850, California was admitted as a free state. Nevertheless, some migrants from the South, including Robert Smith, continued to bring enslaved people into the state. California's courts routinely ruled against the freedom claims of enslaved African Americans in support of slave owners" [0] "Slaveholders occupied the upper echelons of the Mormon hierarchy in San Bernardino....When Mormon slaveholders crossed the border into California, they entered a free state. California’s "Constitution of 1850 outlawed slavery, but its Legislature and courts, dominated by migrants from the South, defended coercive labor practices in the state. Well into the 1850s, the slaveholders of San Bernardino operated openly, free from legal interference." [1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biddy_Mason https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biddy_Mason [1] https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-01-19/san-bernardino-mormon-slavery https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-01-19/san-bernard...