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> AP News was unable to reach Tesla for comment, but that’s no surprise. The electric car company disbanded its public relations department in 2020. That's som

by et-al 4y ago

> AP News was unable to reach Tesla for comment, but that’s no surprise. The electric car company disbanded its public relations department in 2020. That's some salt.

Alupis 4y ago
It's pathetic that a journalist would write something like that in an otherwise factual, unopinionated piece.
- CJefferson 4y ago
  What isn’t factual about that?
  - Alupis 4y ago
    The snark is unbecoming of a journalist presenting facts about an event that really happened. Apparently, blind hatred for someone can excuse an awful lot of illicit behavior...
    - jonas21 4y ago
      I mean it's SFGATE, which is more of a blog than proper journalism (they used to be associated with the SF Chronicle, but the two split a few years ago). The AP story [1] that they based their post on strikes a more professional tone: > Messages were left Wednesday seeking comment from Tesla, which has disbanded its public relations department. [1] https://apnews.com/article/tesla-firetruck-autopilot-investigation-c6d64b941f546f7ae70fb8355d765cb3 https://apnews.com/article/tesla-firetruck-autopilot-investi...
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    - anigbrowl 4y ago
      It's purely factual, just not formal, and your allegation of 'blind hatred' seems hyperbolic. It's odd to me how the tech community celebrates iconoclasm and disruption when things are going well but retreats into formalities when they're not. It seems more unbecoming to me to keep marketing and selling a system called 'autopilot' without responding to the very reasonable criticism that it has a rather dubious safety record - 'According to AP News, “at least 15 Teslas have crashed into emergency vehicles nationwide while using the system.”' I don't have fine-grained accident statistics for emergency vehicles year by year, but that seems disproportionately high for a somewhat niche brand.
    - flangola7 4y ago
      It didn't say anything not rooted in fact. You can't please everyone.
ajross 4y ago
Pretty much. Also this paragraph borders on deliberate misinformation: "The car involved in the fire truck crash was a 2014 Tesla Model S. Recently, Tesla, which is owned by controversial Twitter CEO Elon Musk, recalled over 360,000 cars because of issues with the “Full Self-Driving” feature. The Model S was one of the models recalled." No 2014 Model S's were sold with FSD. The product didn't exist yet. It's not subject to that recall notice, so the final sentence is just outright incorrect. At this point I just give up on the ability of society to deal rationally with anything involving "Tesla". This was a decade-old car with a lanekeeping solution along the lines of what normal cars have today. Absolutely no one ever billed it as an autonomous vehicle. And, like normal cars today, sometimes they end up in fatal crashes. But no one cares if a Lexus on cruise control hits someone. That's not news. Doesn't matter. My car drives me around anyway. Haters gonna hate, as it were.
- jjtheblunt 4y ago
  > which is owned by controversial Twitter CEO Elon Musk this reporter didn't know it's a public company, not owned by Musk?
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  - pests 4y ago
    Did you miss the news last year where Elon bought the company? Its not a public company anymore and is indeed owned by Musk. It has been delisted from the NYSE and shareholders were paid out at $54.20 a share.
    - xyzelement 4y ago
      You are talking about Twitter, the person you responded to and the story they are referring to was about Tesla.
      - pests 4y ago
yrdmb 4y ago
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- dang 4y ago
  Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for, so we end up banning accounts that post this way. We don't really care about your views on the underlying topics but it matters a lot not to set the threads on fire and/or pour fuel on fires once started. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
  - yrdmb 4y ago
    > Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? Define unsubstantive comments and flamebait. Is this not unsubstantive flamebait? "What propaganda? That it would be nice if Britain wasn't being beaten in the supercomputing industry by a totalitarian dictatorship and warmongering dictatorship? As a Brit, I think it's just common sense rather than propaganda." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35067967 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35067967 That's the definition of flamebait and propaganda. But it wasn't flagged. Why do you allow unsubstantive comments and flamebait while flagging every substantive comment that responds to and opposes flamebait? This comment I replied to dehumanized arabs by calling them extremists and barbarians. "I don't know much about Israel or the politics, but just want to say I deeply admire the country. A shining light of democracy, technological progress, innovation, and prosperity in the midst of many countries ruled by dictators and extremist barbarians more concerned with infighting and grandstanding than the progress of their people." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34997427 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34997427 Who did you flag? You flagged me and let this bigot alone. It was only after days of complaints that you finally flagged him. Did you give him a warning? Of course not. You wrote "As for anti-Semitic comments, I've personally banned plenty of accounts for posting like that." You do realize that arabs are semites. How come you haven't banned boeingUH60 for his antisemitism? Or is antisemitism directed against arabs okay? > We don't really care about your views on the underlying topics No you do. Anyone who reads my flagged comments and the comments I replied to can see it. You can say all kinds of nasty shit about russians, chinese, arabs, indians, etc but that's not flamebait. It's only flamebait when you defend them. So I'll keep fighting flamebait til you learn to do your job better. In the meantime I share your concern about unsubstantive comments and flamebait and will do my best to deal with them accordingly. Edit: You forgot to flag another of boeingUH60's flamebait in the same thread. You couldn't be bothered to read the thread to flag his responses? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35003295 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35003295

by et-al 4y ago

> AP News was unable to reach Tesla for comment, but that’s no surprise. The electric car company disbanded its public relations department in 2020. That's some salt.

Alupis 4y ago

It's pathetic that a journalist would write something like that in an otherwise factual, unopinionated piece.

CJefferson 4y ago
What isn’t factual about that?
- Alupis 4y ago
  The snark is unbecoming of a journalist presenting facts about an event that really happened. Apparently, blind hatred for someone can excuse an awful lot of illicit behavior...
  - jonas21 4y ago
    I mean it's SFGATE, which is more of a blog than proper journalism (they used to be associated with the SF Chronicle, but the two split a few years ago). The AP story [1] that they based their post on strikes a more professional tone: > Messages were left Wednesday seeking comment from Tesla, which has disbanded its public relations department. [1] https://apnews.com/article/tesla-firetruck-autopilot-investigation-c6d64b941f546f7ae70fb8355d765cb3 https://apnews.com/article/tesla-firetruck-autopilot-investi...
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    It's purely factual, just not formal, and your allegation of 'blind hatred' seems hyperbolic. It's odd to me how the tech community celebrates iconoclasm and disruption when things are going well but retreats into formalities when they're not. It seems more unbecoming to me to keep marketing and selling a system called 'autopilot' without responding to the very reasonable criticism that it has a rather dubious safety record - 'According to AP News, “at least 15 Teslas have crashed into emergency vehicles nationwide while using the system.”' I don't have fine-grained accident statistics for emergency vehicles year by year, but that seems disproportionately high for a somewhat niche brand.
  - flangola7 4y ago
    It didn't say anything not rooted in fact. You can't please everyone.

ajross 4y ago

Pretty much. Also this paragraph borders on deliberate misinformation: "The car involved in the fire truck crash was a 2014 Tesla Model S. Recently, Tesla, which is owned by controversial Twitter CEO Elon Musk, recalled over 360,000 cars because of issues with the “Full Self-Driving” feature. The Model S was one of the models recalled." No 2014 Model S's were sold with FSD. The product didn't exist yet. It's not subject to that recall notice, so the final sentence is just outright incorrect. At this point I just give up on the ability of society to deal rationally with anything involving "Tesla". This was a decade-old car with a lanekeeping solution along the lines of what normal cars have today. Absolutely no one ever billed it as an autonomous vehicle. And, like normal cars today, sometimes they end up in fatal crashes. But no one cares if a Lexus on cruise control hits someone. That's not news. Doesn't matter. My car drives me around anyway. Haters gonna hate, as it were.

jjtheblunt 4y ago
> which is owned by controversial Twitter CEO Elon Musk this reporter didn't know it's a public company, not owned by Musk?
- deleted 4y ago
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- pests 4y ago
  Did you miss the news last year where Elon bought the company? Its not a public company anymore and is indeed owned by Musk. It has been delisted from the NYSE and shareholders were paid out at $54.20 a share.
  - xyzelement 4y ago
    You are talking about Twitter, the person you responded to and the story they are referring to was about Tesla.
    - pests 4y ago

yrdmb 4y ago

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dang 4y ago
Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for, so we end up banning accounts that post this way. We don't really care about your views on the underlying topics but it matters a lot not to set the threads on fire and/or pour fuel on fires once started. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- yrdmb 4y ago
  > Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? Define unsubstantive comments and flamebait. Is this not unsubstantive flamebait? "What propaganda? That it would be nice if Britain wasn't being beaten in the supercomputing industry by a totalitarian dictatorship and warmongering dictatorship? As a Brit, I think it's just common sense rather than propaganda." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35067967 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35067967 That's the definition of flamebait and propaganda. But it wasn't flagged. Why do you allow unsubstantive comments and flamebait while flagging every substantive comment that responds to and opposes flamebait? This comment I replied to dehumanized arabs by calling them extremists and barbarians. "I don't know much about Israel or the politics, but just want to say I deeply admire the country. A shining light of democracy, technological progress, innovation, and prosperity in the midst of many countries ruled by dictators and extremist barbarians more concerned with infighting and grandstanding than the progress of their people." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34997427 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34997427 Who did you flag? You flagged me and let this bigot alone. It was only after days of complaints that you finally flagged him. Did you give him a warning? Of course not. You wrote "As for anti-Semitic comments, I've personally banned plenty of accounts for posting like that." You do realize that arabs are semites. How come you haven't banned boeingUH60 for his antisemitism? Or is antisemitism directed against arabs okay? > We don't really care about your views on the underlying topics No you do. Anyone who reads my flagged comments and the comments I replied to can see it. You can say all kinds of nasty shit about russians, chinese, arabs, indians, etc but that's not flamebait. It's only flamebait when you defend them. So I'll keep fighting flamebait til you learn to do your job better. In the meantime I share your concern about unsubstantive comments and flamebait and will do my best to deal with them accordingly. Edit: You forgot to flag another of boeingUH60's flamebait in the same thread. You couldn't be bothered to read the thread to flag his responses? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35003295 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35003295