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Important to note, this was a 2014 Model S. Most 2014s did not have any autopilot (just standard cruise control), and the ones that did used an off the shelf mo
by obblekk 4y ago
Important to note, this was a 2014 Model S. Most 2014s did not have any autopilot (just standard cruise control), and the ones that did used an off the shelf module from a third party company.
- WheatMillington 4y agoDo you always specify when a part is made by a third party, or just when you're trying to insulate a trillion dollar corporation from liability? Because most parts in most cars are manufactured by "third party" vendors.
- obblekk 4y agoI used to drive this exact model and all it had was cruise control. I think it's relevant because back then Tesla did not advertise "FSD", whatever that means. If you look at my comment history, you can see I routinely criticize their practices around FSD, not insulate them from liability.
- flutas 4y ago> used an off the shelf module from a third party company iirc Mobileye right?
- Alupis 4y agoVehicles are expected to last on the road for more than 9 years. Today, the average age of a vehicle on the road is a little over 12 years[1] - average. It's a significant problem if vehicle's critical safety software/parts fail yet are still on the road. The future utopia of self driving vehicles can never become a reality if slightly older models kill people because they are no longer supported or updated. [1] https://hedgescompany.com/blog/2022/02/how-old-are-cars/#:~:text=The%20average%20age%20of%20a%20car%20compared%20to%20the%20average,be%20an%20all%2Dtime%20high.&text=Americans%20hold%20on%20to%20their,average%20age%20was%2011.4%20years https://hedgescompany.com/blog/2022/02/how-old-are-cars/#:~:....
- imgabe 4y agoUsing an unapproved third-party part that fails and causes a crash is not an example of the vehicle not lasting.
- Alupis 4y agoThe article says the vehicle was likely using Autopilot, which is a Tesla installed feature - not an unapproved 3rd party component. What led you to say that?
- WheatMillington 4y agoIt's not an unapproved third party part. I can understand why you would think that given GP's misleading characterisation of a vendor-supplied OEM part as third party, but Teslas of this era came equipped with MobileEye technology as selected, specified and installed by Tesla.
- imgabe 4y agoIt’s still a nonstandard modification to the original vehicle. It’s not that the car wore out or didn’t last. It was never designed to have FSD in the first place. The categorization of this as a reliability problem is not accurate.
- obblekk 4y agoYes completely agree. But, this car never even pretended to advertise driving itself. Most likely, it advertised plain, vanilla "cruise control." At best, it also advertised lane keeping and radar cruise control.
- Alupis 4y agoOk, and that lane assist radar cruise control thingy drove straight into a parked, stationary emergency vehicle and killed it's own occupants. Where is the disconnect happening here? Not driving full-speed into stationary objects strikes me as "Driver Assist 101" stuff...
- WirelessGigabit 4y agoYou know that most of the cars use off the shelf components. Like the 3d view in many cars is just a Bosch module.