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EU 8K TV ban goes into effect – here’s how Samsung got around it

22 points by redbell 4y ago

dougmwne 4y ago
These are not those infamous bendy bananas. It’s just a plan to have TVs ship with eco mode enabled by default to limit power consumption to 90w, not a ban on 8k. Most consumers will never know the difference and those who do can flip it off in a few seconds. The power savings would be pretty large all added up.
- wmf 4y ago
  It's kind of sad because customers would be better off with brighter 4K TVs than dim 8K. Samsung just can't/won't take the hint.
  - 0cVlTeIATBs 4y ago
    Resolution and other things aside, why brighter TVs? I would think that as bright as they are now, dimming the room is what's actually called for.
    - fomine3 4y ago
      Shop is brighter than home so people misunderstand
Avlin67 4y ago
but why 8K ? is it the resolution or the brightness that causes power consumption ?
jokethrowaway 4y ago
Thank you Europe for dealing with the pressing issues and making our life simpler. /s I found 8k tv ridiculous as much as the next guy but I found regulation to be even more ridiculous. Wait until they come for the rest of your energy.
Adiqq 4y ago
Is even 8K worth it? I have 4K monitor and it can offer really sharp and detailed image, but I wonder if I would be even able to notice any difference. I have similar approach to music, so I bought Topping D30 (DAC) and JBL LSR 305 (powered studio monitor). I'm not sure, if I would be able to really tell a difference between this and better setup, but it already sounds great for me.
- jiggawatts 4y ago
  Depends on how good your eyesight is. Nearly a decade ago I saw an 8K monitor in person and it had a very noticeable “wow” factor above 4K. Now? I probably wouldn’t be able to see much difference.
  - kevviiinn 4y ago
    Why? Did 4k get better or did 8k get worse?
    - funcDropShadow 4y ago
      Or GP's eyes got worse.
      - jiggawatts 4y ago
        Unfortunately, yes. I keep telling the missus that we only have about a decade remaining when it is worthwhile to invest in a top-tier television. After that, even with glasses we won't appreciate the upgrade enough to be worthwhile. Ditto with PC monitors. I spent a lot of money on 4K as an early adopter because I had better than 20:20 vision and could appreciate the difference. These days I sometimes don't even notice if something is running at 1080p! An upgrade to 8K would be a waste of money. Of course, when my kid grows up and I have to buy him new electronics, I get an excuse to spend money on expensive gadgets again...
- justinclift 4y ago
  This Linus Tech Tips video comparing 8k with 4k for gaming purposes seems relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y5jEK-72JQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y5jEK-72JQ It's effectively -> we tested a bunch of games at both resolutions, and couldn't tell which was which. So 8k doesn't seem to be worth it.
lttlrck 4y ago
This mirrors cars defaulting to eco mode when they are started so they pass emissions in their default state. The emissions once you switch to Sport+ etc are not tested.
- Our_Benefactors 4y ago
  Small bit but the way it’s worked in cars I’ve driven with mode selectors has been, it stays in the mode it was when you last shut it off, unless it was in sport mode (then it turns on in normal). So you can still leave it in normal mode all the time, you don’t have to change it each time you start the car.
throwaway67743 4y ago
More typical idiot nanny EU behaviour, also see: ridiculous volume limit for audio devices
- eternityforest 4y ago
  Portable media players are a real danger and there's no way to protect yourself without special hardware, unless you can somehow tell what a safe level is without measuring. Also, a lot of the people affected might be kids and teens and they have no way to repair the damage if you blast your ear holes too much. Seems like something should be done about it. There's plenty of laws I'm not a fan of, but people's hearing is important. I expect products to be safe unless being dangerous is inherently a part of their function. I don't want phones to catch fire or food that has poison.
  - throwaway67743 4y ago
    We should also limit stoves to 20 degrees in case someone touches it, it's the same thing. Initially there was just the silly "EU warning" that meant after X (supposed, because not all equipment is made equal) decibels, it would not go higher unless you actively confirmed you would be exceeding said limit, however that has made way by just reducing output all the time - not everyone is happy with cheap crap, some of us have higher quality equipment that needs the power and clarity, whereas muggles are happy with what sounds like a brick in a washing machine. If you can't judge what a safe volume is without experiencing discomfort or ringing afterwards, you've probably got bigger risks. It also ignores that with age, hearing naturally reduces in both fidelity and perceived volume, so what are the rest of us supposed to do?
fidgewidge 4y ago
See also: EU delaying rules on kettle power to after the Brexit referendum because they knew it would piss people off. Just think about how much power the Commission wasted on all the bureaucrats, committees, travel perks, lobbying meetings, tests etc for this endless pile of completely useless regulation that surely has no success metrics tied to it. All because they have too many staff and stuff the organisation with socialists who dislike markets. Such a pity, European decline will be discussed by historians for many centuries into the future.
llimos 4y ago
Everyone should turn off their TV's and go outside and play.
netsharc 4y ago
How about a ban on long-winded articles, it took 4 or 5 repetitive paragraphs to get to the meat of the story.

22 points by redbell 4y ago

These are not those infamous bendy bananas. It’s just a plan to have TVs ship with eco mode enabled by default to limit power consumption to 90w, not a ban on 8k. Most consumers will never know the difference and those who do can flip it off in a few seconds. The power savings would be pretty large all added up.

wmf 4y ago
It's kind of sad because customers would be better off with brighter 4K TVs than dim 8K. Samsung just can't/won't take the hint.
- 0cVlTeIATBs 4y ago
  Resolution and other things aside, why brighter TVs? I would think that as bright as they are now, dimming the room is what's actually called for.
  - fomine3 4y ago
    Shop is brighter than home so people misunderstand

Avlin67 4y ago

but why 8K ? is it the resolution or the brightness that causes power consumption ?

jokethrowaway 4y ago

Thank you Europe for dealing with the pressing issues and making our life simpler. /s I found 8k tv ridiculous as much as the next guy but I found regulation to be even more ridiculous. Wait until they come for the rest of your energy.

Adiqq 4y ago

Is even 8K worth it? I have 4K monitor and it can offer really sharp and detailed image, but I wonder if I would be even able to notice any difference. I have similar approach to music, so I bought Topping D30 (DAC) and JBL LSR 305 (powered studio monitor). I'm not sure, if I would be able to really tell a difference between this and better setup, but it already sounds great for me.

jiggawatts 4y ago
Depends on how good your eyesight is. Nearly a decade ago I saw an 8K monitor in person and it had a very noticeable “wow” factor above 4K. Now? I probably wouldn’t be able to see much difference.
- kevviiinn 4y ago
  Why? Did 4k get better or did 8k get worse?
  - funcDropShadow 4y ago
    Or GP's eyes got worse.
    - jiggawatts 4y ago
      Unfortunately, yes. I keep telling the missus that we only have about a decade remaining when it is worthwhile to invest in a top-tier television. After that, even with glasses we won't appreciate the upgrade enough to be worthwhile. Ditto with PC monitors. I spent a lot of money on 4K as an early adopter because I had better than 20:20 vision and could appreciate the difference. These days I sometimes don't even notice if something is running at 1080p! An upgrade to 8K would be a waste of money. Of course, when my kid grows up and I have to buy him new electronics, I get an excuse to spend money on expensive gadgets again...
justinclift 4y ago
This Linus Tech Tips video comparing 8k with 4k for gaming purposes seems relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y5jEK-72JQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y5jEK-72JQ It's effectively -> we tested a bunch of games at both resolutions, and couldn't tell which was which. So 8k doesn't seem to be worth it.

lttlrck 4y ago

This mirrors cars defaulting to eco mode when they are started so they pass emissions in their default state. The emissions once you switch to Sport+ etc are not tested.

Our_Benefactors 4y ago
Small bit but the way it’s worked in cars I’ve driven with mode selectors has been, it stays in the mode it was when you last shut it off, unless it was in sport mode (then it turns on in normal). So you can still leave it in normal mode all the time, you don’t have to change it each time you start the car.

throwaway67743 4y ago

More typical idiot nanny EU behaviour, also see: ridiculous volume limit for audio devices

eternityforest 4y ago
Portable media players are a real danger and there's no way to protect yourself without special hardware, unless you can somehow tell what a safe level is without measuring. Also, a lot of the people affected might be kids and teens and they have no way to repair the damage if you blast your ear holes too much. Seems like something should be done about it. There's plenty of laws I'm not a fan of, but people's hearing is important. I expect products to be safe unless being dangerous is inherently a part of their function. I don't want phones to catch fire or food that has poison.
- throwaway67743 4y ago
  We should also limit stoves to 20 degrees in case someone touches it, it's the same thing. Initially there was just the silly "EU warning" that meant after X (supposed, because not all equipment is made equal) decibels, it would not go higher unless you actively confirmed you would be exceeding said limit, however that has made way by just reducing output all the time - not everyone is happy with cheap crap, some of us have higher quality equipment that needs the power and clarity, whereas muggles are happy with what sounds like a brick in a washing machine. If you can't judge what a safe volume is without experiencing discomfort or ringing afterwards, you've probably got bigger risks. It also ignores that with age, hearing naturally reduces in both fidelity and perceived volume, so what are the rest of us supposed to do?

fidgewidge 4y ago

See also: EU delaying rules on kettle power to after the Brexit referendum because they knew it would piss people off. Just think about how much power the Commission wasted on all the bureaucrats, committees, travel perks, lobbying meetings, tests etc for this endless pile of completely useless regulation that surely has no success metrics tied to it. All because they have too many staff and stuff the organisation with socialists who dislike markets. Such a pity, European decline will be discussed by historians for many centuries into the future.

llimos 4y ago

Everyone should turn off their TV's and go outside and play.

netsharc 4y ago

How about a ban on long-winded articles, it took 4 or 5 repetitive paragraphs to get to the meat of the story.