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> stop using third party vendors for data storage No. I need a system that detects motion during scheduled times (ideally only humans) and buzzes my phone inst

> stop using third party vendors for data storage No. I need a system that detects motion during scheduled times (ideally only humans) and buzzes my phone instantly, giving me a live view and saving a recording around that time. And most of all, it has to be reliable enough that I don't question whether it's working. Anyone who says this is easy is underestimating it. Something on-prem could do all that, but nobody sells it, and most DIY systems don't have those features (does yours?). So here I am with the Ring.

wyager 4y ago
You can do all that locally with Frigate, FYI
- hot_gril 4y ago
  Yeah, Frigate is pretty cool, but here are the moving parts: https://docs.frigate.video/frigate/hardware/ https://docs.frigate.video/frigate/hardware/ and https://docs.frigate.video/guides/ha_notifications/ https://docs.frigate.video/guides/ha_notifications/ . I don't trust that to all work without maintenance.
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tohnjitor 4y ago
Unifi Protect can do that on-prem. Remote access is optional.
Salgat 4y ago
Ubiquiti does that. I have motion detection alerts disabled but human motion detection enabled depending on the camera. You can also set regions in the view that it ignores for motion detection.
- hot_gril 4y ago
  Tech-savvy people say great things about Ubiquiti wifi, but my experience was that it's way more annoying to deal with than the AirPorts I was replacing. So I have doubts about relying on their security solution to "just work," but maybe I'll give it a try. And sure I'm tech-savvy, but I also don't want to deal with things. The real test is at my parents' house, where I don't live but I manage some of their stuff remotely / occasionally in person. I can't babysit whatever gets installed, and they don't understand computers. Like, whenever their internet was having problems, they'd only know how to reboot the router; eventually they automated this task with a lamp timer. But they were fine managing the Ring once I set it up.
  - alar44 4y ago
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  - hoot 4y ago
    I did a basic UniFi setup at my house back in the fall and it’s been pretty simple and fully reliable. It’s pretty much the apple of home networking and security.
    - hot_gril 4y ago
      The Apple of home networking was Apple until they discontinued AirPort. It was much easier.
  - chaxor 4y ago
    It's my understanding that now ubiquiti used to be a good company/solution, but they ruined that recently by introducing a lot of "phoning home"-like "features" for their routers. Given that the tech group is almost always more privacy/security oriented than typical, and that's Ubiquiti's target audience, it was a very poor choice on their part and probably removed a significant portion of their customers. Perhaps the solution that the tech-oriented crowd will move to now is just making things from scratch, I haven't seen the clear consensus on it yet.
l72 4y ago
I have several cameras hooked up to an NVR that has 2TB drives for constant recording (when space runs out older recordings are deleted. I usually have a few weeks available). I then have frigate[1] set up on a small fitlet (with a usb CORAL TPU), which gives me excellent control over detection (Humans vs dogs vs cars vs ...). Frigate grabs the streams from my NVR over rstp. This is then hooked up to my Home Assistant where I have various rules to send alerts to my mobile devices based upon object detected, location of camera, and time of day. Everything is internal. I have an always on wireguard on my family's mobile devices allowing them to access the cameras and home assistant alerts from anywhere. It works great, but I have refused to set this up for my extended family (even though they have the same NVR and _really_ want my system), just because there are a lot of moving pieces that need to be maintained (not to mention having a server + vpn) [1] https://frigate.video/ https://frigate.video/
- phil21 4y ago
  Frigate looks pretty interesting. Do you have an estimation of how much CPU it's using for your cameras? I have about a dozen 4k cameras I'd love to migrate to a much more capable NVR, but doing so with software typically means I go from a 30W NVR to maxing out a 8 core 200W Xeon even without object detection. Would love to kill my Duaha NVR and toss this on the Proxmox cluster instead.
  - ssl232 4y ago
    The Frigate website seems to heavily recommend a Coral card to offload the bulk of the processing from the CPU. EDIT: looks like CPU still used for video decoding regardless of Coral being available: https://docs.frigate.video/frigate/hardware/#do-hwaccel-args-help-if-i-am-using-a-coral https://docs.frigate.video/frigate/hardware/#do-hwaccel-args...
- libraryatnight 4y ago
  I really dig this idea. I think you just gave me my next project.
- _rs 4y ago
  Could you share which model cameras and NVR you're using? I've been wanting to put something together like this for a while, but all of the solutions I've seen require a Windows box (usually running Blue Iris) for the NVR which I want to avoid
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wil421 4y ago
Unifi makes onprem NVR solutions for the home with everything you said. It’s all connected to their cloud for auth but you can turn it off if you want.
bmsleight_ 4y ago
Frigate -> Home Assistant -> WhatApp Messages DIY, $2 per month + electric change. The $2 cover WhatsApp group messages - as it works for all phone in family with the app sleeping. Easy to share clips. For example - who was the person who approache dthe door with an umbrella today. Frigate makes sure its a person, Frigate makes sure it in the correct area of camera. Cheap rtsp camera, standalone wifi network. Frigate is the bridge to 'normal' lan.
thrashh 4y ago
Oh they definitely do sell it. And the more money you spend the crazier it gets (cross-camera facial recognition? you can go full blown surveillance on your neighborhood). I bought a Synology NAS and I just added cameras on my home network in the web UI. Does motion tracking, auto recording and the app rocks. It doesn’t ping me but I also haven’t looked for that feature.
- nicolas_t 4y ago
  What cameras did you end up using? I'm looking for good recommendations.
  - thrashh 4y ago
    Amcrest is pretty good as long as you get an ONVIF-compatible model. Their PoE cameras are better than their Wi-Fi models, but I found that their indoor Wi-Fi models are not bad. I haven't had any luck with their outdoor Wi-Fi models though. For Wi-Fi outdoor, I've been trying Reolink. I actually have had one die and another one keeps resetting so I'm not sold. I've heard Hikvision is good but they're more expensive and I haven't tried them yet. I also think they really care whether you buy it from an authorized retailer.
- hot_gril 4y ago
  > It doesn’t ping me Well that's a crucial requirement. Should ping by default. Even if you can turn it on, I don't trust that they really put that feature first if it's buried in the settings.
  - thrashh 4y ago
    It may not be buried. I might have just turned it off. I always turn it off right away. I consider pinging a major cause of paranoia (see NextDoor), an invasion of my community’s privacy, and honestly I live in a safe area and insurance covers everything anyway.
  - mlrtime 4y ago
    Synology's Security Station will 100% notify you. https://www.synology.com/en-us/surveillance/feature/mobile https://www.synology.com/en-us/surveillance/feature/mobile Synology + a cheap RTSP camera and it has all the features OP requires.
giantg2 4y ago
"Something on-prem could do all that, but nobody sells it, and most DIY systems don't have those features" I don't have it set up that way but thought about it. Zoneminder does motion detection and can be scheduled too. I'm not sure about the human recognition part, but I think I heard there's so sort of plugin out there for that, but I could be wrong. It will also send alerts and can be visible from the web if you have a static IP or a service that provides the same functionality (forget the name).
ilyt 4y ago
We used https://github.com/Motion-Project/motion https://github.com/Motion-Project/motion for crude version of that in our office closet datacenter. It just detected movement, sent an email with video file attached and a link to stream. No face detect AI but this is ancient software, and minimum effort to set up
prepend 4y ago
Wyze sells that. My camera stores local footage on an sd card. When motion activates it, Wyze sends me a push alert that something happens, I open the app and it requests directly from my camera. Video doesn’t stay on wyze’s server. If they’re served a warrant, they have no video.

wyager 4y ago

You can do all that locally with Frigate, FYI

hot_gril 4y ago
Yeah, Frigate is pretty cool, but here are the moving parts: https://docs.frigate.video/frigate/hardware/ https://docs.frigate.video/frigate/hardware/ and https://docs.frigate.video/guides/ha_notifications/ https://docs.frigate.video/guides/ha_notifications/ . I don't trust that to all work without maintenance.
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tohnjitor 4y ago

Unifi Protect can do that on-prem. Remote access is optional.

Salgat 4y ago

Ubiquiti does that. I have motion detection alerts disabled but human motion detection enabled depending on the camera. You can also set regions in the view that it ignores for motion detection.

hot_gril 4y ago
Tech-savvy people say great things about Ubiquiti wifi, but my experience was that it's way more annoying to deal with than the AirPorts I was replacing. So I have doubts about relying on their security solution to "just work," but maybe I'll give it a try. And sure I'm tech-savvy, but I also don't want to deal with things. The real test is at my parents' house, where I don't live but I manage some of their stuff remotely / occasionally in person. I can't babysit whatever gets installed, and they don't understand computers. Like, whenever their internet was having problems, they'd only know how to reboot the router; eventually they automated this task with a lamp timer. But they were fine managing the Ring once I set it up.
- alar44 4y ago
  [dead]
- hoot 4y ago
  I did a basic UniFi setup at my house back in the fall and it’s been pretty simple and fully reliable. It’s pretty much the apple of home networking and security.
  - hot_gril 4y ago
    The Apple of home networking was Apple until they discontinued AirPort. It was much easier.
- chaxor 4y ago
  It's my understanding that now ubiquiti used to be a good company/solution, but they ruined that recently by introducing a lot of "phoning home"-like "features" for their routers. Given that the tech group is almost always more privacy/security oriented than typical, and that's Ubiquiti's target audience, it was a very poor choice on their part and probably removed a significant portion of their customers. Perhaps the solution that the tech-oriented crowd will move to now is just making things from scratch, I haven't seen the clear consensus on it yet.

l72 4y ago

I have several cameras hooked up to an NVR that has 2TB drives for constant recording (when space runs out older recordings are deleted. I usually have a few weeks available). I then have frigate[1] set up on a small fitlet (with a usb CORAL TPU), which gives me excellent control over detection (Humans vs dogs vs cars vs ...). Frigate grabs the streams from my NVR over rstp. This is then hooked up to my Home Assistant where I have various rules to send alerts to my mobile devices based upon object detected, location of camera, and time of day. Everything is internal. I have an always on wireguard on my family's mobile devices allowing them to access the cameras and home assistant alerts from anywhere. It works great, but I have refused to set this up for my extended family (even though they have the same NVR and _really_ want my system), just because there are a lot of moving pieces that need to be maintained (not to mention having a server + vpn) [1] https://frigate.video/ https://frigate.video/

phil21 4y ago
Frigate looks pretty interesting. Do you have an estimation of how much CPU it's using for your cameras? I have about a dozen 4k cameras I'd love to migrate to a much more capable NVR, but doing so with software typically means I go from a 30W NVR to maxing out a 8 core 200W Xeon even without object detection. Would love to kill my Duaha NVR and toss this on the Proxmox cluster instead.
- ssl232 4y ago
  The Frigate website seems to heavily recommend a Coral card to offload the bulk of the processing from the CPU. EDIT: looks like CPU still used for video decoding regardless of Coral being available: https://docs.frigate.video/frigate/hardware/#do-hwaccel-args-help-if-i-am-using-a-coral https://docs.frigate.video/frigate/hardware/#do-hwaccel-args...
libraryatnight 4y ago
I really dig this idea. I think you just gave me my next project.
_rs 4y ago
Could you share which model cameras and NVR you're using? I've been wanting to put something together like this for a while, but all of the solutions I've seen require a Windows box (usually running Blue Iris) for the NVR which I want to avoid

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wil421 4y ago

Unifi makes onprem NVR solutions for the home with everything you said. It’s all connected to their cloud for auth but you can turn it off if you want.

bmsleight_ 4y ago

Frigate -> Home Assistant -> WhatApp Messages DIY, $2 per month + electric change. The $2 cover WhatsApp group messages - as it works for all phone in family with the app sleeping. Easy to share clips. For example - who was the person who approache dthe door with an umbrella today. Frigate makes sure its a person, Frigate makes sure it in the correct area of camera. Cheap rtsp camera, standalone wifi network. Frigate is the bridge to 'normal' lan.

thrashh 4y ago

Oh they definitely do sell it. And the more money you spend the crazier it gets (cross-camera facial recognition? you can go full blown surveillance on your neighborhood). I bought a Synology NAS and I just added cameras on my home network in the web UI. Does motion tracking, auto recording and the app rocks. It doesn’t ping me but I also haven’t looked for that feature.

nicolas_t 4y ago
What cameras did you end up using? I'm looking for good recommendations.
- thrashh 4y ago
  Amcrest is pretty good as long as you get an ONVIF-compatible model. Their PoE cameras are better than their Wi-Fi models, but I found that their indoor Wi-Fi models are not bad. I haven't had any luck with their outdoor Wi-Fi models though. For Wi-Fi outdoor, I've been trying Reolink. I actually have had one die and another one keeps resetting so I'm not sold. I've heard Hikvision is good but they're more expensive and I haven't tried them yet. I also think they really care whether you buy it from an authorized retailer.
hot_gril 4y ago
> It doesn’t ping me Well that's a crucial requirement. Should ping by default. Even if you can turn it on, I don't trust that they really put that feature first if it's buried in the settings.
- thrashh 4y ago
  It may not be buried. I might have just turned it off. I always turn it off right away. I consider pinging a major cause of paranoia (see NextDoor), an invasion of my community’s privacy, and honestly I live in a safe area and insurance covers everything anyway.
- mlrtime 4y ago
  Synology's Security Station will 100% notify you. https://www.synology.com/en-us/surveillance/feature/mobile https://www.synology.com/en-us/surveillance/feature/mobile Synology + a cheap RTSP camera and it has all the features OP requires.

giantg2 4y ago

"Something on-prem could do all that, but nobody sells it, and most DIY systems don't have those features" I don't have it set up that way but thought about it. Zoneminder does motion detection and can be scheduled too. I'm not sure about the human recognition part, but I think I heard there's so sort of plugin out there for that, but I could be wrong. It will also send alerts and can be visible from the web if you have a static IP or a service that provides the same functionality (forget the name).

ilyt 4y ago

We used https://github.com/Motion-Project/motion https://github.com/Motion-Project/motion for crude version of that in our office closet datacenter. It just detected movement, sent an email with video file attached and a link to stream. No face detect AI but this is ancient software, and minimum effort to set up

prepend 4y ago

Wyze sells that. My camera stores local footage on an sd card. When motion activates it, Wyze sends me a push alert that something happens, I open the app and it requests directly from my camera. Video doesn’t stay on wyze’s server. If they’re served a warrant, they have no video.