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What an experience that is! Crammed between people and hardly being able to move for hours while significantly contributing to CO2 and noise pollution just so y

What an experience that is! Crammed between people and hardly being able to move for hours while significantly contributing to CO2 and noise pollution just so you can sit indoors in a remote place for work or at a beach for fun which you could've just done localy for pretty much the same experience

irrational 4y ago
You think most people have nice warm beaches locally?
pb7 4y ago
>Crammed between people and hardly being able to move for hours Do you know why it's so cramped? To maximize the number of people on the flight and therefore reduce the per-passenger carbon emissions and cost. I can tell you've never traveled if you think every place is like every other. The creek in your podunk town is not the same as the beaches in French Polynesia.
- b112 4y ago
  To maximize the number of people on the flight and therefore reduce the per-passenger carbon emissions and cost. You must be joking. It is solely and completely for profit. Airlines could care less about emissions.
  - pb7 4y ago
    It is about cost to airlines but to call out the cramped conditions in the same breath as carbon emissions when the cramped conditions reduce overall carbon emissions immediately gave away that the OP doesn’t give one shit about climate change when it comes to their personal comfort. Dialing in on how it benefits the airlines when low prices also benefit flyers and lower per-passenger emissions benefit everyone shows you just have a bone to pick.
    - b112 4y ago
      Of course I have a bone to pick. It is too cramped! Having my knees mashed into the seat in front of me, my back aching, for a 9 hour flight is absurd, and should be illegal. Many, many flyer hate this. It absolutely does not benefit flyers, not when you see seat price static, or going up, and airline profits up (prior covid). It. does. not. help. consumers. Airlines care not about emissions. You claimed it was done to reduce emissions. This is completely false. No hand wavy logic will change this.
      - goatlover 4y ago
        Would you rather take the slower form of travel? If it's a nine hour flight, that could be over the ocean, so days instead of hours to get there.
        b112 4y ago
        I am not against air travel. I am against people claiming that the reason I am cramped, is to help the environment. Or customers. It's not. It is to help airline profits.
        pb7 4y ago
        You don’t seem to understand how this business works so let me explain. Air travel prices have been dropped significantly over the last few decades. What used to be a luxury reserved for the wealth can now enjoyed by folks paying as little as $10 for a 2 hour flight (e.g. RyanAir). The average economy experience used to resemble that of a business class ticket with a price to match. Over the years, this experience was whittled down to what we have to today to make air travel affordable to the masses and capture more demand. Airlines are a notoriously low-margin business and most of them make nearly no money — this is why there are literally thousands of them that have gone out of business. Often their greatest asset is their loyalty program and the rest is a massive liability. Whether lowering emissions is a direct consequence or an indirect consequence, increasing seat density does just that so suck it up.

irrational 4y ago

You think most people have nice warm beaches locally?

pb7 4y ago

>Crammed between people and hardly being able to move for hours Do you know why it's so cramped? To maximize the number of people on the flight and therefore reduce the per-passenger carbon emissions and cost. I can tell you've never traveled if you think every place is like every other. The creek in your podunk town is not the same as the beaches in French Polynesia.

b112 4y ago
To maximize the number of people on the flight and therefore reduce the per-passenger carbon emissions and cost. You must be joking. It is solely and completely for profit. Airlines could care less about emissions.
- pb7 4y ago
  It is about cost to airlines but to call out the cramped conditions in the same breath as carbon emissions when the cramped conditions reduce overall carbon emissions immediately gave away that the OP doesn’t give one shit about climate change when it comes to their personal comfort. Dialing in on how it benefits the airlines when low prices also benefit flyers and lower per-passenger emissions benefit everyone shows you just have a bone to pick.
  - b112 4y ago
    Of course I have a bone to pick. It is too cramped! Having my knees mashed into the seat in front of me, my back aching, for a 9 hour flight is absurd, and should be illegal. Many, many flyer hate this. It absolutely does not benefit flyers, not when you see seat price static, or going up, and airline profits up (prior covid). It. does. not. help. consumers. Airlines care not about emissions. You claimed it was done to reduce emissions. This is completely false. No hand wavy logic will change this.
    - goatlover 4y ago
      Would you rather take the slower form of travel? If it's a nine hour flight, that could be over the ocean, so days instead of hours to get there.
      - b112 4y ago
        I am not against air travel. I am against people claiming that the reason I am cramped, is to help the environment. Or customers. It's not. It is to help airline profits.
        pb7 4y ago
        You don’t seem to understand how this business works so let me explain. Air travel prices have been dropped significantly over the last few decades. What used to be a luxury reserved for the wealth can now enjoyed by folks paying as little as $10 for a 2 hour flight (e.g. RyanAir). The average economy experience used to resemble that of a business class ticket with a price to match. Over the years, this experience was whittled down to what we have to today to make air travel affordable to the masses and capture more demand. Airlines are a notoriously low-margin business and most of them make nearly no money — this is why there are literally thousands of them that have gone out of business. Often their greatest asset is their loyalty program and the rest is a massive liability. Whether lowering emissions is a direct consequence or an indirect consequence, increasing seat density does just that so suck it up.