> It’s just not going to happen. You say this as though we have any choice. It will happen; we can either do it ourselves, or we can wait until environmental c

> It’s just not going to happen. You say this as though we have any choice. It will happen; we can either do it ourselves, or we can wait until environmental collapse does it for us. (I know which way I'd have preferred to go, but I seem to have been outvoted...)