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Reminds me of what happened when some junior animators attempted to show Hayao Miyazaki their AI-generated zombie animation a few years ago. https://www.youtub

Reminds me of what happened when some junior animators attempted to show Hayao Miyazaki their AI-generated zombie animation a few years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngZ0K3lWKRc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngZ0K3lWKRc

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germinalphrase 4y ago
"I strongly feel this is an insult to life itself" Not quite the reaction they were hoping for.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  Of course professional artist would be offended of machines doing what they do. It's natural people get defensive, especially artists. I for one beg to differ. I define the quality of the art by the emotions it evoques in me, regardless if man or machine made it.
  - brap 4y ago
    I once got to witness a very talented doctor being pitched the idea that AI can detect things like tumors in medical imaging. They didn’t use the same words but the emotion was quite similar. And now we all know AI does a better job than doctors at medical imaging. I wonder how he feels about it now. “It's difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on not understanding it” When pitching an AI/tech product, choose the people you pitch to carefully. You’ll probably have a hard time selling to those you want to replace.
    - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
      It's not the same. The medical profession is highly credentialized and regulated with several moats giving them insane bargaining power on who gets to decide what. Pretty sure radiologists have their jobs secured for life regardless of the progress of AI image recognition. At least in Europe. Most likely AI will be used as a tool, but the radiologist will have to sign off on the final verdict/diagnosis.
      - brap 4y ago
        This is very true, but regulation/moats can’t stop progress indefinitely, and I think deep down even medical professionals understand this, which is why he reacted the way he did. I could tell he was personally offended by the fact that some young computer nerd who knows nothing about medicine, can even suggest the idea that his decades worth of experience aren’t as good as a computer program.
  - teekert 4y ago
    It's what people do when you tell them: Look I have an algorithm that can do your job. It's the first thing you learn not to do when working in machine learning. For example I was working in Digital Pathology, no Pathologist will ever believe you when you say an algorithm can (some day) do their job better (maybe there are some exceptions). Even if you show them that they never agree on anything, not even with themselves from last week, they keep believing they are the correct one. It's human I guess.
    - pixl97 4y ago
      This is pretty much every human in every industry that's been replaced by machines in pretty much forever. And if there are some exceptions, we'll it will probably be plumbers.
  - josefx 4y ago
    > I define the quality of the art by the emotions it evoques in me He seems to not like it for that reason. The developers call the movement creepy and he basically says they can do creepy if they want, he doesn't.They also say their model doesn't understand pain and the movements reflect it, which he counters with an anecdote about disabled people he knows and how their muscles strain doing otherwise normal things and how not understanding pain is a problem. It almost seems like they had no idea who they where trying to impress with their tech demo. I am far from an expert on his works but I don't see "creepy zombie animations" fitting in with any of his works.
- spywaregorilla 4y ago
  Which is a great answer because there's probably a butt load of angsty mangakas who like nothing more than to depict monsters that invoke a feeling of insult to life itself.
- cyrialize 4y ago
  Miyazaki is pretty old school and tends to be against technology for his personal use while working. It definitely isn't the reaction they were hoping for, but it's also something that I'm not surprised by. [EDIT] Apologies to Miyazaki, as the poster below me pointed out. I didn't mean to make him sound like his secretary would print emails out for him. The poster below me is right on the money with Miyazaki creating pieces about technology & nature.
  - ajross 4y ago
    > Miyazaki is pretty old school and tends to be against technology for his personal use while working. Miyazaki has a half century history of producing one groundbreaking speculative warning piece after another about the intersection of technology with human sin. You make it sound like the guy wants a secretary to print his email for him. (But FWIW: he's wrong here, that zombie thing was amazing -- creepy is the whole point, and the fact that the AI was unconstrained by human priors about how to move makes it even better.)
    - cyrialize 4y ago
      My apologies, I didn't mean to make him sound like that. You're right on the money with his work. Makes me think of Princess Mononoke!
brap 4y ago
Not only was his response incredibly rude, but it was also close minded, short sighted, and frankly quite dumb. Still amusing to watch, though.
- IKLOL 4y ago
  I've found it common that older people can often take things on an extremely personal level. It's like at some point they forget the people they're talking to don't know their complete life story, and yet they behave as if others have no life story at all.
phreack 4y ago
Why would you show AI generated horror to someone like Miyazaki? He's the furthest from that genre you could get!

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germinalphrase 4y ago

"I strongly feel this is an insult to life itself" Not quite the reaction they were hoping for.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
Of course professional artist would be offended of machines doing what they do. It's natural people get defensive, especially artists. I for one beg to differ. I define the quality of the art by the emotions it evoques in me, regardless if man or machine made it.
- brap 4y ago
  I once got to witness a very talented doctor being pitched the idea that AI can detect things like tumors in medical imaging. They didn’t use the same words but the emotion was quite similar. And now we all know AI does a better job than doctors at medical imaging. I wonder how he feels about it now. “It's difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on not understanding it” When pitching an AI/tech product, choose the people you pitch to carefully. You’ll probably have a hard time selling to those you want to replace.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    It's not the same. The medical profession is highly credentialized and regulated with several moats giving them insane bargaining power on who gets to decide what. Pretty sure radiologists have their jobs secured for life regardless of the progress of AI image recognition. At least in Europe. Most likely AI will be used as a tool, but the radiologist will have to sign off on the final verdict/diagnosis.
    - brap 4y ago
      This is very true, but regulation/moats can’t stop progress indefinitely, and I think deep down even medical professionals understand this, which is why he reacted the way he did. I could tell he was personally offended by the fact that some young computer nerd who knows nothing about medicine, can even suggest the idea that his decades worth of experience aren’t as good as a computer program.
- teekert 4y ago
  It's what people do when you tell them: Look I have an algorithm that can do your job. It's the first thing you learn not to do when working in machine learning. For example I was working in Digital Pathology, no Pathologist will ever believe you when you say an algorithm can (some day) do their job better (maybe there are some exceptions). Even if you show them that they never agree on anything, not even with themselves from last week, they keep believing they are the correct one. It's human I guess.
  - pixl97 4y ago
    This is pretty much every human in every industry that's been replaced by machines in pretty much forever. And if there are some exceptions, we'll it will probably be plumbers.
- josefx 4y ago
  > I define the quality of the art by the emotions it evoques in me He seems to not like it for that reason. The developers call the movement creepy and he basically says they can do creepy if they want, he doesn't.They also say their model doesn't understand pain and the movements reflect it, which he counters with an anecdote about disabled people he knows and how their muscles strain doing otherwise normal things and how not understanding pain is a problem. It almost seems like they had no idea who they where trying to impress with their tech demo. I am far from an expert on his works but I don't see "creepy zombie animations" fitting in with any of his works.
spywaregorilla 4y ago
Which is a great answer because there's probably a butt load of angsty mangakas who like nothing more than to depict monsters that invoke a feeling of insult to life itself.
cyrialize 4y ago
Miyazaki is pretty old school and tends to be against technology for his personal use while working. It definitely isn't the reaction they were hoping for, but it's also something that I'm not surprised by. [EDIT] Apologies to Miyazaki, as the poster below me pointed out. I didn't mean to make him sound like his secretary would print emails out for him. The poster below me is right on the money with Miyazaki creating pieces about technology & nature.
- ajross 4y ago
  > Miyazaki is pretty old school and tends to be against technology for his personal use while working. Miyazaki has a half century history of producing one groundbreaking speculative warning piece after another about the intersection of technology with human sin. You make it sound like the guy wants a secretary to print his email for him. (But FWIW: he's wrong here, that zombie thing was amazing -- creepy is the whole point, and the fact that the AI was unconstrained by human priors about how to move makes it even better.)
  - cyrialize 4y ago
    My apologies, I didn't mean to make him sound like that. You're right on the money with his work. Makes me think of Princess Mononoke!

brap 4y ago

Not only was his response incredibly rude, but it was also close minded, short sighted, and frankly quite dumb. Still amusing to watch, though.

IKLOL 4y ago
I've found it common that older people can often take things on an extremely personal level. It's like at some point they forget the people they're talking to don't know their complete life story, and yet they behave as if others have no life story at all.

phreack 4y ago

Why would you show AI generated horror to someone like Miyazaki? He's the furthest from that genre you could get!