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> but paradoxically the more professional an open source site looks, the more I assume there's going to be a catch I hate to admit this, but I feel the same wa

> but paradoxically the more professional an open source site looks, the more I assume there's going to be a catch I hate to admit this, but I feel the same way when it comes to programmers themselves. I've tried very, very hard to be mindful of this in an effort to correct it, but I still have this gut feeling when I encounter a fellow programmer with the general put-together-ness of someone in the C-suite. What makes it worse is that I've had this gut feeling validated several times in the past. I once worked with a very cover-of-GQ programmer who, after ten+ years in the industry, would struggle with FizzBuzz-esque problems.

sph 4y ago
Likewise, I'd never trust a software engineer in a suit, unless it's for a project written in Java or COBOL. Nor a sysadmin that isn't wearing black, running Linux and/or listening to metal. Unless they have a white beard, then you know they have been around for a while. (Just partially serious here, don't read too much into it. But you know it's true.)
- xarope 4y ago
  Much like some people like wearing a nice watch, pants, etc, I like wearing a nicely cut suit or jacket. Is that really any different to people wearing a comfortable pair of jeans? And paradoxically, I have carried server equipment wearing an italian suit, whilst others were bemoaning dust getting on their levis jeans... So please, please don't judge a book by it's cover. Actions speak louder.
  - 4gotunameagain 4y ago
    Carrying server equipment wearing an italian suit is an action though !
  - acuozzo 4y ago
    > I like wearing a nicely cut suit or jacket. Suits don't set off my bullshit detector. Legitimate hackers have had to wear them since the dawn of computing. The devil is in the details. Alarm bells start to ring for me when the sum of the details exceeds what my gut feels is reasonable. Being worthy of the cover of GQ takes a ton of time, energy, and resources to maintain. Managing to maintain the same perfect tan all year is an investment for sure, but not necessarily an investment that aligns with the hacker ethos.
tacotacotaco 4y ago
I’m far from cover-of-GQ but I did wear a suit every day for a few years to a programming job. Maybe it’s the punk in me but when every person in the company, including the C suite, dressed in a t-shirt and jeans or sweats I felt the need to be a little counter culture. Honestly it was an insightful experiment in biases, seeing how different people treated me (such as your admission) based on my clothes alone. … and I have no trouble writing fizz buzz.
- hulitu 4y ago
  " Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence in society." Mark Twain
- acuozzo 4y ago
  > I did wear a suit every day for a few years to a programming job Was it a tailored suit by a designer brand? Alternatively, was it a fancy bespoke suit? Suits usually don't set off my bullshit detector. Many legitimate hackers have had to wear them since the dawn of computing. It's the details that catch my eye. The money, priorities, and (most import of all!) time are in the details.

sph 4y ago

Likewise, I'd never trust a software engineer in a suit, unless it's for a project written in Java or COBOL. Nor a sysadmin that isn't wearing black, running Linux and/or listening to metal. Unless they have a white beard, then you know they have been around for a while. (Just partially serious here, don't read too much into it. But you know it's true.)

xarope 4y ago
Much like some people like wearing a nice watch, pants, etc, I like wearing a nicely cut suit or jacket. Is that really any different to people wearing a comfortable pair of jeans? And paradoxically, I have carried server equipment wearing an italian suit, whilst others were bemoaning dust getting on their levis jeans... So please, please don't judge a book by it's cover. Actions speak louder.
- 4gotunameagain 4y ago
  Carrying server equipment wearing an italian suit is an action though !
- acuozzo 4y ago
  > I like wearing a nicely cut suit or jacket. Suits don't set off my bullshit detector. Legitimate hackers have had to wear them since the dawn of computing. The devil is in the details. Alarm bells start to ring for me when the sum of the details exceeds what my gut feels is reasonable. Being worthy of the cover of GQ takes a ton of time, energy, and resources to maintain. Managing to maintain the same perfect tan all year is an investment for sure, but not necessarily an investment that aligns with the hacker ethos.

tacotacotaco 4y ago

I’m far from cover-of-GQ but I did wear a suit every day for a few years to a programming job. Maybe it’s the punk in me but when every person in the company, including the C suite, dressed in a t-shirt and jeans or sweats I felt the need to be a little counter culture. Honestly it was an insightful experiment in biases, seeing how different people treated me (such as your admission) based on my clothes alone. … and I have no trouble writing fizz buzz.

hulitu 4y ago
" Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence in society." Mark Twain
acuozzo 4y ago
> I did wear a suit every day for a few years to a programming job Was it a tailored suit by a designer brand? Alternatively, was it a fancy bespoke suit? Suits usually don't set off my bullshit detector. Many legitimate hackers have had to wear them since the dawn of computing. It's the details that catch my eye. The money, priorities, and (most import of all!) time are in the details.