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>I don't think other companies can't replicate comebacks like that. AMD didn't really do so much. It was TSMC that saved them.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
Couldn't be a more false statement. AMD's success was also due to their new Zen architecture and move to chiplets. TSMC alone wouln't have been enough to save them if their architecture would have sucked.
- Vt71fcAqt7 4y ago
  Right. It was just a coincidence that they became competitive only after selling glofo and moving to TSMC.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    Please get your facts straight. Zen architecture and their move to chaplets were also big factors of their success. AMD still used Glo-Fo for the first gen Ryzens and still do for the I/O die in some chiplets because it's cost competitive. It they would have just ported their failed Bulldozer architecture to TSMC, that wouldn't have helped them at all. Your original claim that "AMD didn't do much" and it was "TSMC that saved them" is a blatantly false. You are grossly misinformed if you believe that.
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nl 4y ago
This isn't really true. Zen was built for years at Global Foundries on 14nm and out performed Intel at the time. Moving to TSMC definitely helped later, but it was the original Zen architecture that put them back in the game. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_(first_generation) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_(first_generation)
- beebeepka 4y ago
  Zen didn't really outperform Intel in single thread until Zen 3. Zen 2 was a close call, though
  - Dalewyn 4y ago
    Class-for-class, I'm of the understanding Intel still wins the single thread competition.
  - nl 4y ago
    This didn't really matter though. The CPU was competitive with Intel in real world scenarios and was very well received when it launched in 2017; eg: https://www.pcworld.com/article/412262/ryzen-review-amd-is-back.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/412262/ryzen-review-amd-is-b... The point is that the architecture and CPU design was the thing, not the later switch to TSMC which didn't happen until Zen 2 in 2019.
    - beebeepka 4y ago
      Ha, you don't have to convince me anything. I have several desktops and laptops equipped with various zen 1-3 CPUs. I am no intel fanboi. Architecture is important but needs manufacturing

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

Couldn't be a more false statement. AMD's success was also due to their new Zen architecture and move to chiplets. TSMC alone wouln't have been enough to save them if their architecture would have sucked.

Vt71fcAqt7 4y ago
Right. It was just a coincidence that they became competitive only after selling glofo and moving to TSMC.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  Please get your facts straight. Zen architecture and their move to chaplets were also big factors of their success. AMD still used Glo-Fo for the first gen Ryzens and still do for the I/O die in some chiplets because it's cost competitive. It they would have just ported their failed Bulldozer architecture to TSMC, that wouldn't have helped them at all. Your original claim that "AMD didn't do much" and it was "TSMC that saved them" is a blatantly false. You are grossly misinformed if you believe that.
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nl 4y ago

This isn't really true. Zen was built for years at Global Foundries on 14nm and out performed Intel at the time. Moving to TSMC definitely helped later, but it was the original Zen architecture that put them back in the game. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_(first_generation) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_(first_generation)

beebeepka 4y ago
Zen didn't really outperform Intel in single thread until Zen 3. Zen 2 was a close call, though
- Dalewyn 4y ago
  Class-for-class, I'm of the understanding Intel still wins the single thread competition.
- nl 4y ago
  This didn't really matter though. The CPU was competitive with Intel in real world scenarios and was very well received when it launched in 2017; eg: https://www.pcworld.com/article/412262/ryzen-review-amd-is-back.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/412262/ryzen-review-amd-is-b... The point is that the architecture and CPU design was the thing, not the later switch to TSMC which didn't happen until Zen 2 in 2019.
  - beebeepka 4y ago
    Ha, you don't have to convince me anything. I have several desktops and laptops equipped with various zen 1-3 CPUs. I am no intel fanboi. Architecture is important but needs manufacturing