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I swear, every time some helpdesk Linux issue filters to us it ends up being "well, that worked fine in Debian, Ubuntu fucked something up"...

by adql 4y ago

gjvc 4y ago
If you are just starting out on your Linux journey, save yourself (possibly many) years of varying woe, and go straight to Debian.
- KronisLV 4y ago
  > If you are just starting out on your Linux journey, save yourself (possibly many) years of varying woe, and go straight to Debian. Debian is a great OS and still runs on some of my servers! However, what about the release/EOL cycle, which might affect some people's reasoning? Along the lines of: "I'll set this up and I want to keep it running reasonably for X years with unattended-upgrades." Debian releases are supported for just a few years: https://endoflife.software/operating-systems/linux/debian https://endoflife.software/operating-systems/linux/debian In contrast, Ubuntu LTS releases are around for about 5 years or longer (HWE): https://endoflife.software/operating-systems/linux/ubuntu https://endoflife.software/operating-systems/linux/ubuntu Technically you do have Debian LTS, but it's never mentioned anywhere as prominently like Ubuntu LTS is, which feels a tad odd (because it works fine): https://www.debian.org/lts/ https://www.debian.org/lts/ Of course, many looked in the direction of something like CentOS for this, or RHEL, or Rocky Linux or Alma Linux etc., which are supported for around 10 years usually. In my experience, DEB distros play more nicely with most of the software that I want to personally run, though.
  - unxdfa 4y ago
    If you stick with Ubuntu LTS you have to put up with the bugs they never fix for longer!
  - gjvc 4y ago
    The main point I should have included above is that Debian's installation and deployment of any given upstream package is generally better than other distributions (my opinion only, YMMV), especially when there are lots of dependencies.
unxdfa 4y ago
I had that a while ago. MySQL in Ubuntu 10.04 LTS was a complete fuck up with loads of upstream bugs that weren't patched out. Unfortunately company policy was only Ubuntu with system packages. Eventually I persuaded them to let me use CentOS 6. What they didn't know is they ended up running Debian stable for the next 7 years thanks to a pact with the other sysadmins. Eventually it all went to AWS and Amazon Linux which is basically a uniquely fucked up version of CentOS. Really I'd rather run FreeBSD but no one wants to pay me to do that.

I swear, every time some helpdesk Linux issue filters to us it ends up being "well, that worked fine in Debian, Ubuntu fucked something up"...

by adql 4y ago

I swear, every time some helpdesk Linux issue filters to us it ends up being "well, that worked fine in Debian, Ubuntu fucked something up"...

gjvc 4y ago

If you are just starting out on your Linux journey, save yourself (possibly many) years of varying woe, and go straight to Debian.

KronisLV 4y ago
> If you are just starting out on your Linux journey, save yourself (possibly many) years of varying woe, and go straight to Debian. Debian is a great OS and still runs on some of my servers! However, what about the release/EOL cycle, which might affect some people's reasoning? Along the lines of: "I'll set this up and I want to keep it running reasonably for X years with unattended-upgrades." Debian releases are supported for just a few years: https://endoflife.software/operating-systems/linux/debian https://endoflife.software/operating-systems/linux/debian In contrast, Ubuntu LTS releases are around for about 5 years or longer (HWE): https://endoflife.software/operating-systems/linux/ubuntu https://endoflife.software/operating-systems/linux/ubuntu Technically you do have Debian LTS, but it's never mentioned anywhere as prominently like Ubuntu LTS is, which feels a tad odd (because it works fine): https://www.debian.org/lts/ https://www.debian.org/lts/ Of course, many looked in the direction of something like CentOS for this, or RHEL, or Rocky Linux or Alma Linux etc., which are supported for around 10 years usually. In my experience, DEB distros play more nicely with most of the software that I want to personally run, though.
- unxdfa 4y ago
  If you stick with Ubuntu LTS you have to put up with the bugs they never fix for longer!
- gjvc 4y ago
  The main point I should have included above is that Debian's installation and deployment of any given upstream package is generally better than other distributions (my opinion only, YMMV), especially when there are lots of dependencies.

unxdfa 4y ago

I had that a while ago. MySQL in Ubuntu 10.04 LTS was a complete fuck up with loads of upstream bugs that weren't patched out. Unfortunately company policy was only Ubuntu with system packages. Eventually I persuaded them to let me use CentOS 6. What they didn't know is they ended up running Debian stable for the next 7 years thanks to a pact with the other sysadmins. Eventually it all went to AWS and Amazon Linux which is basically a uniquely fucked up version of CentOS. Really I'd rather run FreeBSD but no one wants to pay me to do that.