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Important to remember Rolling Stone has a history of publishing false or exaggerated stories.

by n0us 4y ago

pyrophane 4y ago
Do you have more information about that?
- hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
  "A Rape on Campus" was a widely reported one and a huge scandal: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rape_on_Campus https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rape_on_Campus
HideousKojima 4y ago
The UVA rape story was blatantly obviously false to any male who read it (no man is going to intentionally put his junk near a bed of broken glass, frat-bro gang rapist or no) but this particular article is simply about the details of a report created by the LA County Civilian Oversight Commission, so I'm not sure what attacks on Rolling Stone's (admittedly poor) credibility have to do with that. The actual report is found here (and linked to by the Rolling Stone article): https://www.scribd.com/document/629758526/ladeptygang https://www.scribd.com/document/629758526/ladeptygang
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > this particular article is simply about the details of a report created by the LA County Civilian Oversight Commission, so I'm not sure what attacks on Rolling Stone's (admittedly poor) credibility have to do with that This article dances around these “gangs” being deputy cliques with allegedly violent tendencies, not actual infiltration by LA street gangs. That smudging makes the lack of evidence for those violent tendencies or refusal to provide back-up easier to digest.
  - sidlls 4y ago
    One doesn't have to be an "LA street gang" to be a gang. I thought the article was clear about that.
    - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
      > the article was clear about that It never explicitly makes that point nor backs it up, which is typical Rolling Stone. It’s a fun read. But a better source is warranted.
- hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
  > The UVA rape story was blatantly obviously false to any male who read it That feels like 20/20 hindsight. There were certainly plenty of males who did believe it. I'll fess up, I was one of them. I believed it for 2 main reasons: 1. The story was outlandish, but I thought "you'd have to be insane to lie about this, with this much detail". Well, yeah, in retrospect, insane people exist. 2. Since there was so much detail, I thought there was plenty of stuff that could have been easily vetted, and given Rolling Stone's reputation, thought "for sure they have researched this." I honestly didn't realize at the time about the story being "too good to vet" phenomenon. Yes, I learned a valuable lesson about consuming information with a more critical eye, and mea culpa. But I know I definitely wasn't the only male who originally believed the story.
  - HideousKojima 4y ago
    At least for me, I immediately doubted the story and any of my friends that I discussed it with (most of whom hadn't actually read the article) did as well the moment I pointed out the broken glass. So probably a bit of bias on my part to assume everyone else felt the same way, sorry that you got taken in by their lies.
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sidlls 4y ago
Having lived in LA county when I was younger (and poor, nearly homeless, etc.), I've seen plenty of gang-like behavior from the police: I doubt this article is exaggerated at all.
xbar 4y ago
"Consider the source" is always smart. How do you feel about the LA Times? https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-03-02/la-me-deputy-gangs-report https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-03-02/la-me-de... https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-03-03/civilian-oversight-commission-approves-plan-that-calls-for-sheriff-to-outlaw-deputy-gangs-ban-their-rituals https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-03-03/civilian...
rcme 4y ago
Is there any publication that has never published a false story? You need to accept stories from all media outlets on the merits of the story itself. There is clearly a lot of corroborating evidence with regard to gangs in the LASD.
starkparker 4y ago
New Yorker, June 2022: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/06/06/the-la-county-sheriffs-deputy-gang-crisis https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/06/06/the-la-county-... NPR, March 2022: https://www.npr.org/2022/03/25/1088905429/lasd-gangs-investigation-los-angeles https://www.npr.org/2022/03/25/1088905429/lasd-gangs-investi... Reuters, March 2022: https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/la-is-investigating-50-year-old-police-gangs-finally-2022-03-30/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/la-is-investigating... NBC Los Angeles, June 2019: https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/los-angeles-county-compton-deputy-shooting/149399/ https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/los-angeles-county-compto... BuzzFeed, August 2018: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/la-county-sheriffs-department-deputy-cliques https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/la-co... Fox News, 18 hours ago: https://www.foxnews.com/us/ex-los-angeles-sheriff-alex-villanueva-blasted-deputy-gangs-new-scathing-watchdog-report https://www.foxnews.com/us/ex-los-angeles-sheriff-alex-villa... Fox 11, 3 days ago: https://www.foxla.com/video/1189078 https://www.foxla.com/video/1189078 NBC News, 5 days ago: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/deputy-gangs-cancer-los-angeles-county-sheriffs-department-scathing-re-rcna73367 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/deputy-gangs-cancer-los... Fox 11, Feb. 20: https://www.foxla.com/news/banditos-la-county-seeks-dismissal-of-deputy-gang-claims https://www.foxla.com/news/banditos-la-county-seeks-dismissa... LA Times, Feb. 10: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-02-08/new-deputy-gang-forming-in-l-a-county-sheriffs-department-lawsuit-alleges https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-02-08/new-depu... Loyola Law School, 2022: https://www.lls.edu/academics/centers/centerforjuvenilelawpolicy/cjlpdeputygangreport/ https://www.lls.edu/academics/centers/centerforjuvenilelawpo...

Important to remember Rolling Stone has a history of publishing false or exaggerated stories.

by n0us 4y ago

Important to remember Rolling Stone has a history of publishing false or exaggerated stories.

pyrophane 4y ago

Do you have more information about that?

hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
"A Rape on Campus" was a widely reported one and a huge scandal: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rape_on_Campus https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rape_on_Campus

HideousKojima 4y ago

The UVA rape story was blatantly obviously false to any male who read it (no man is going to intentionally put his junk near a bed of broken glass, frat-bro gang rapist or no) but this particular article is simply about the details of a report created by the LA County Civilian Oversight Commission, so I'm not sure what attacks on Rolling Stone's (admittedly poor) credibility have to do with that. The actual report is found here (and linked to by the Rolling Stone article): https://www.scribd.com/document/629758526/ladeptygang https://www.scribd.com/document/629758526/ladeptygang

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> this particular article is simply about the details of a report created by the LA County Civilian Oversight Commission, so I'm not sure what attacks on Rolling Stone's (admittedly poor) credibility have to do with that This article dances around these “gangs” being deputy cliques with allegedly violent tendencies, not actual infiltration by LA street gangs. That smudging makes the lack of evidence for those violent tendencies or refusal to provide back-up easier to digest.
- sidlls 4y ago
  One doesn't have to be an "LA street gang" to be a gang. I thought the article was clear about that.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > the article was clear about that It never explicitly makes that point nor backs it up, which is typical Rolling Stone. It’s a fun read. But a better source is warranted.
hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
> The UVA rape story was blatantly obviously false to any male who read it That feels like 20/20 hindsight. There were certainly plenty of males who did believe it. I'll fess up, I was one of them. I believed it for 2 main reasons: 1. The story was outlandish, but I thought "you'd have to be insane to lie about this, with this much detail". Well, yeah, in retrospect, insane people exist. 2. Since there was so much detail, I thought there was plenty of stuff that could have been easily vetted, and given Rolling Stone's reputation, thought "for sure they have researched this." I honestly didn't realize at the time about the story being "too good to vet" phenomenon. Yes, I learned a valuable lesson about consuming information with a more critical eye, and mea culpa. But I know I definitely wasn't the only male who originally believed the story.
- HideousKojima 4y ago
  At least for me, I immediately doubted the story and any of my friends that I discussed it with (most of whom hadn't actually read the article) did as well the moment I pointed out the broken glass. So probably a bit of bias on my part to assume everyone else felt the same way, sorry that you got taken in by their lies.

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sidlls 4y ago

Having lived in LA county when I was younger (and poor, nearly homeless, etc.), I've seen plenty of gang-like behavior from the police: I doubt this article is exaggerated at all.

xbar 4y ago

"Consider the source" is always smart. How do you feel about the LA Times? https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-03-02/la-me-deputy-gangs-report https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-03-02/la-me-de... https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-03-03/civilian-oversight-commission-approves-plan-that-calls-for-sheriff-to-outlaw-deputy-gangs-ban-their-rituals https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-03-03/civilian...

rcme 4y ago

Is there any publication that has never published a false story? You need to accept stories from all media outlets on the merits of the story itself. There is clearly a lot of corroborating evidence with regard to gangs in the LASD.

starkparker 4y ago

New Yorker, June 2022: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/06/06/the-la-county-sheriffs-deputy-gang-crisis https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/06/06/the-la-county-... NPR, March 2022: https://www.npr.org/2022/03/25/1088905429/lasd-gangs-investigation-los-angeles https://www.npr.org/2022/03/25/1088905429/lasd-gangs-investi... Reuters, March 2022: https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/la-is-investigating-50-year-old-police-gangs-finally-2022-03-30/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/la-is-investigating... NBC Los Angeles, June 2019: https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/los-angeles-county-compton-deputy-shooting/149399/ https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/los-angeles-county-compto... BuzzFeed, August 2018: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/la-county-sheriffs-department-deputy-cliques https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/la-co... Fox News, 18 hours ago: https://www.foxnews.com/us/ex-los-angeles-sheriff-alex-villanueva-blasted-deputy-gangs-new-scathing-watchdog-report https://www.foxnews.com/us/ex-los-angeles-sheriff-alex-villa... Fox 11, 3 days ago: https://www.foxla.com/video/1189078 https://www.foxla.com/video/1189078 NBC News, 5 days ago: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/deputy-gangs-cancer-los-angeles-county-sheriffs-department-scathing-re-rcna73367 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/deputy-gangs-cancer-los... Fox 11, Feb. 20: https://www.foxla.com/news/banditos-la-county-seeks-dismissal-of-deputy-gang-claims https://www.foxla.com/news/banditos-la-county-seeks-dismissa... LA Times, Feb. 10: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-02-08/new-deputy-gang-forming-in-l-a-county-sheriffs-department-lawsuit-alleges https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-02-08/new-depu... Loyola Law School, 2022: https://www.lls.edu/academics/centers/centerforjuvenilelawpolicy/cjlpdeputygangreport/ https://www.lls.edu/academics/centers/centerforjuvenilelawpo...