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> The process outlined in the study — known scientifically as eutrophication — is remarkably similar to modern, albeit smaller-scale, phenomenon currently fueli

by abricq 4y ago

> The process outlined in the study — known scientifically as eutrophication — is remarkably similar to modern, albeit smaller-scale, phenomenon currently fueling broad “dead zones” in the Great Lakes and the Gulf of Mexico, as excess nutrients from fertilizers and other agricultural runoff trigger massive algae blooms that consume all of the water’s oxygen. Meanwhile, the next COP28 (United Nations Climate Change conference) will be held by United Arab Emirates's minister for industry and CEO of the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company. As much as this seems like a joke, or a "Don't look up" moment, it is not one ...

taneq 4y ago
In what way is it not a "Don't Look Up" moment? It absolutely resonates with the theme of that documentary.
- abricq 4y ago
  Yes that's what I meant, it could be taken from it. But it's not taken from the movie, it's actually happening (that's what I meant)
  - taneq 4y ago
    Ahh right, I read it as “a moment in the style of Don’t Look Up” (which it totally is) rather than “literally a thing in the movie” (which… yeah I agree.)
- Pigalowda 4y ago
  If you are ESL: “As much as this seems like a joke … it is not one”
user3939382 4y ago
> (United Nations Climate Change conference) will be held by United Arab Emirates's minister for industry and CEO of the Abu Dhabi National Oil https://unwatch.org/u-n-elects-saudi-arabia-to-womens-rights-commission/ https://unwatch.org/u-n-elects-saudi-arabia-to-womens-rights... A lot of regulatory bodies, commissions, councils, are for optics and captured by the governments or corporations they should be regulating in some way. Put another way we have the fox watching the hen house. Put another way it's all bullshit. It's just as true with our domestic regulation.
- abricq 4y ago
  This concerns me and saddens me a lot. Major changes are required in the near future, and the more I look at the news the less it seems like any of these changes are happening. If at some point I actually get to the conclusion that "it's all bullshit" (i.e. climate change is all bullshit) to those in charge of making these changes, then I have to see how to change those in charge. But really, the options are limited... It's a scary problem. But yeah, it seems like corporations have (often) a lot more to say in this that the what the majority of citizens want.
  - scatters 4y ago
    > the more I look at the news the less it seems like any of these changes are happening What news are you reading? Last year the world invested $500bn in wind and solar, and another $500bn in energy efficiency. The IRA has $369bn for green tech, and Europe is going to spend $270bn. The invasion of Ukraine has left large amounts of Russian oil and gas effectively stranded. We're going to reach peak carbon in 5 years, and 2°C is looking increasingly feasible.
    - aporetics 4y ago
      Does it matter if by then we’ve fractured or cut down what’s left of the world’s forests? Deforestation the last decade https://ourworldindata.org/deforestation https://ourworldindata.org/deforestation
- jvm___ 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture I mean, if the sidewalks outside your house were government controlled, the most likely people to try to take control of them would be people with an interest in making money from them (somehow). Most people don't enter government to be the "Minister of Forestry" without some previous industry experience, and a plan of what to do with the forests. The people with industry experience and a plan are usually ones frustrated by the limits of the regulations and therefore they have the desire to take over and change the rules to suit them.
CalRobert 4y ago
Ocean oxygen depletion (and atmospheric oxygen depletion as marine life like plankton dies with a double whammy of reduced oxygen and greater acidity) comes up in the scarier corners of climate change awareness but I've never known if it was something to take seriously or if it was overblown. Will we stop being able to breathe?
- trpv 4y ago
  Yes, we have 2 years left until everyone in the world (except the super rich who can afford bottled air) will suffocate and die
  - axus 4y ago
    On the bright side, our carbon emissions will go way down
    - hinkley 4y ago
      Decay produces a lot of carbon emissions.
      - morelisp 4y ago
        Only in an aerobic environment, no?
        hinkley 4y ago
        CO2 requires oxygen. Methane is worse, but it's still carbon emissions.
  - unfairly4820 4y ago
    Hmm will be for the super rich for sure. Lets say one air canister is 160 breaths. And this canister is premium lol, and cost 32 bucks. cost per breath is $.20. Avg person = 16 breaths per minute. Cost per minute : $2.30. Cost per hour $192. Cost per day $4608. Cost per year: $1,618,920!

by abricq 4y ago

taneq 4y ago

In what way is it not a "Don't Look Up" moment? It absolutely resonates with the theme of that documentary.

abricq 4y ago
Yes that's what I meant, it could be taken from it. But it's not taken from the movie, it's actually happening (that's what I meant)
- taneq 4y ago
  Ahh right, I read it as “a moment in the style of Don’t Look Up” (which it totally is) rather than “literally a thing in the movie” (which… yeah I agree.)
Pigalowda 4y ago
If you are ESL: “As much as this seems like a joke … it is not one”

user3939382 4y ago

> (United Nations Climate Change conference) will be held by United Arab Emirates's minister for industry and CEO of the Abu Dhabi National Oil https://unwatch.org/u-n-elects-saudi-arabia-to-womens-rights-commission/ https://unwatch.org/u-n-elects-saudi-arabia-to-womens-rights... A lot of regulatory bodies, commissions, councils, are for optics and captured by the governments or corporations they should be regulating in some way. Put another way we have the fox watching the hen house. Put another way it's all bullshit. It's just as true with our domestic regulation.

abricq 4y ago
This concerns me and saddens me a lot. Major changes are required in the near future, and the more I look at the news the less it seems like any of these changes are happening. If at some point I actually get to the conclusion that "it's all bullshit" (i.e. climate change is all bullshit) to those in charge of making these changes, then I have to see how to change those in charge. But really, the options are limited... It's a scary problem. But yeah, it seems like corporations have (often) a lot more to say in this that the what the majority of citizens want.
- scatters 4y ago
  > the more I look at the news the less it seems like any of these changes are happening What news are you reading? Last year the world invested $500bn in wind and solar, and another $500bn in energy efficiency. The IRA has $369bn for green tech, and Europe is going to spend $270bn. The invasion of Ukraine has left large amounts of Russian oil and gas effectively stranded. We're going to reach peak carbon in 5 years, and 2°C is looking increasingly feasible.
  - aporetics 4y ago
    Does it matter if by then we’ve fractured or cut down what’s left of the world’s forests? Deforestation the last decade https://ourworldindata.org/deforestation https://ourworldindata.org/deforestation
jvm___ 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture I mean, if the sidewalks outside your house were government controlled, the most likely people to try to take control of them would be people with an interest in making money from them (somehow). Most people don't enter government to be the "Minister of Forestry" without some previous industry experience, and a plan of what to do with the forests. The people with industry experience and a plan are usually ones frustrated by the limits of the regulations and therefore they have the desire to take over and change the rules to suit them.

CalRobert 4y ago

Ocean oxygen depletion (and atmospheric oxygen depletion as marine life like plankton dies with a double whammy of reduced oxygen and greater acidity) comes up in the scarier corners of climate change awareness but I've never known if it was something to take seriously or if it was overblown. Will we stop being able to breathe?

trpv 4y ago
Yes, we have 2 years left until everyone in the world (except the super rich who can afford bottled air) will suffocate and die
- axus 4y ago
  On the bright side, our carbon emissions will go way down
  - hinkley 4y ago
    Decay produces a lot of carbon emissions.
    - morelisp 4y ago
      Only in an aerobic environment, no?
      - hinkley 4y ago
        CO2 requires oxygen. Methane is worse, but it's still carbon emissions.
- unfairly4820 4y ago
  Hmm will be for the super rich for sure. Lets say one air canister is 160 breaths. And this canister is premium lol, and cost 32 bucks. cost per breath is $.20. Avg person = 16 breaths per minute. Cost per minute : $2.30. Cost per hour $192. Cost per day $4608. Cost per year: $1,618,920!