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no I don't. And I was trying to explain why I don't think so as it would escalate the conflict possibly to a nuclear one as NATO entering Ukraine would cause ru

no I don't. And I was trying to explain why I don't think so as it would escalate the conflict possibly to a nuclear one as NATO entering Ukraine would cause russia to lose very quickly

medo-bear 4y ago
see the problem i have with this is the constant pushing of boundaries. first it was small defensive weapons. then small offensive weapons. then large defensive weapons. then large offensive weapons. now its fighter jets. whats next? at the same time a narative is being developed in all the major media that the freedom of europe and west depends on ukranian victory. if thats the case, whats the next logical conclusion if ukraine actually begins to lose the war? to me this smells of preparation of the general population for a (much) larger war
- haspok 4y ago
  Constant pushing of boundaries is exactly what the Russians do: first they annex Crimea (no or very limited response from the West), then they separate Donbas (no response from the West), then they finally attack Ukraine proper. Should the West have watched this with arms folded in your opinion? We are very far from average Joe being sent to the Russian front. Partly because there is a professional army that will be involved before that, but more likely it will not, in order to avoid nuclear conflict. I think you should worry more about that than the general population being sent to Ukraine.
- andrejguran 4y ago
  I disagree because russia showed it's very weak militarily. So weak that it caught by surprise everyone. Again we have the opposite problem and that's for Ukraine not winning too fast and that's why NATO is suppling weapons very carefully and slowly. You said that we're pushing boundaries but I see it as pushing boundaries centimeter by centimeter while being miles away from what you call a larger war. So in conclusion there won't be much larger war simply because there is no larger enemy.
- hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
  We wanted to send help from day one but we were afraid because Putin in its famous speech when announcing the war threatened using nuclear bombs against any country that would help Ukraine. So we had to start small. The alternative is that we are afraid, we do nothing, and once Putin finishes off with Ukraine, he is ready to invade the ex-Eastern bloc countries, and then go further West. Because if everybody is afraid, who is going to stop him?

no I don't. And I was trying to explain why I don't think so as it would escalate the conflict possibly to a nuclear one as NATO entering Ukraine would cause russia to lose very quickly

medo-bear 4y ago

see the problem i have with this is the constant pushing of boundaries. first it was small defensive weapons. then small offensive weapons. then large defensive weapons. then large offensive weapons. now its fighter jets. whats next? at the same time a narative is being developed in all the major media that the freedom of europe and west depends on ukranian victory. if thats the case, whats the next logical conclusion if ukraine actually begins to lose the war? to me this smells of preparation of the general population for a (much) larger war

haspok 4y ago
Constant pushing of boundaries is exactly what the Russians do: first they annex Crimea (no or very limited response from the West), then they separate Donbas (no response from the West), then they finally attack Ukraine proper. Should the West have watched this with arms folded in your opinion? We are very far from average Joe being sent to the Russian front. Partly because there is a professional army that will be involved before that, but more likely it will not, in order to avoid nuclear conflict. I think you should worry more about that than the general population being sent to Ukraine.
andrejguran 4y ago
I disagree because russia showed it's very weak militarily. So weak that it caught by surprise everyone. Again we have the opposite problem and that's for Ukraine not winning too fast and that's why NATO is suppling weapons very carefully and slowly. You said that we're pushing boundaries but I see it as pushing boundaries centimeter by centimeter while being miles away from what you call a larger war. So in conclusion there won't be much larger war simply because there is no larger enemy.
hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
We wanted to send help from day one but we were afraid because Putin in its famous speech when announcing the war threatened using nuclear bombs against any country that would help Ukraine. So we had to start small. The alternative is that we are afraid, we do nothing, and once Putin finishes off with Ukraine, he is ready to invade the ex-Eastern bloc countries, and then go further West. Because if everybody is afraid, who is going to stop him?