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It might sound weird, but it's good for you. Everybody eats wrong until diabetes, treatment resistant epilepsy, mental disease(bipolar, schizophrenia), some ty

It might sound weird, but it's good for you. Everybody eats wrong until diabetes, treatment resistant epilepsy, mental disease(bipolar, schizophrenia), some type of insulin resistance, overweight, etc (only these come at the top of my head) punches you in the mouth. Then you have to eat correct. Which is low carb, high fat, low-to-medium protein. And that is keto diet. > How is it supposed to improve your health/life? Lowering carb intake improves your health. While fruits "feel" good, it's mostly just sweets/carbs/fructose.

prmoustache 4y ago
I just eat a bit of everything without doing any excess while avoiding (not 100% of the time though) processed food. What we call mediterranean diet I think. I am based there anyway. Except from cheese and chocolate I mostly buy only raw ingredients and cook myself. I do think this is the most healthy diet, both physically and psychologically as you don't feel like you need to give up something. If I have en envy for say, cookies. First I will cook them myself. That leads to 3 things: 1. I need extra motivation, 20 or so minutes + more dishes to wash on top of the rest of the usual daily cooking. 2. I use basic, raw ingredients I control and not something stuffed supplements, fructose, palm oil and other bad shit. 3. I won't eat them all like there is no tomorrow because I know the value of them and I will have to make them again next time I want some. Having said that I don't refuse the weekly ice cream (but it comes from an artisanal ice cream vendor, not the stuff from the supermarket) and won't give up on the occasionnal restaurant.
- ddorian43 4y ago
  > I just eat a bit of everything without doing any excess while avoiding (not 100% of the time though) processed food. Have you ever calculated the grams of fat/carbs/protein? *I bet* you're under-eating protein. > What we call mediterranean diet I think. This is not defined. Many countries do it differently.
  - dcow 4y ago
    Sounds like they’re happy and healthy. Why are you criticizing?
    - exfatloss 4y ago
      Haha I think that's a common keto response. Person 1: I do keto Person 2: I just eat <moderate/balanced/adequate/healthy/clean> This seems to imply to person 1 that person 1 could do the same, which is often not true. Ketogenic diets have a whole bunch of benefit that no amount of moderation/balance will get to a person with those issues. So ketoers often take issue with such comments when they seem to imply to be just as useful for dealing with said issues.
      - rootusrootus 4y ago
        Ketoers are the ultimate peddlers of bro science.
        exfatloss 4y ago
        Seems like a legit criticism :) Care to expand?
      - ddorian43 4y ago
        I was mostly looking for protein. Nobody "eating in moderation" includes 500g of beef/day in there. It's usually just carbs or empty-stuff (salads that are mostly water).
    - ddorian43 4y ago
      I just want specifics. "Eating in moderation" often results in 50g of protein/day.
PuppyTailWags 4y ago
Epilepsy-specific ketogenic diets aren't recommended for people who don't have epilepsy. Their high-fat content far outweighs keto diets for diabetic patients or people on keto diets for general weight loss. Also, keto diets don't affect someone's schizophrenia or bipolar disorder.
- ddorian43 4y ago
  > Epilepsy-specific ketogenic diets aren't recommended for people who don't have epilepsy. Many times you can lower the fat after some time/years even on epilepsy. > Also, keto diets don't affect someone's schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. You're wrong. I'm not saying it will "fix" it, only sometimes. But definitely improve quality of life. You might need epilepsy-keto though. See https://metabolicmind.org/ https://metabolicmind.org/ & https://www.youtube.com/@metabolicmind/videos https://www.youtube.com/@metabolicmind/videos
  - PuppyTailWags 4y ago
    Your links generally don't appear to be linking to scientific research groups. Metabolic Mind is funded by a wealthy family whose son claims to be cured of bipolar from a keto diet.
    - exfatloss 4y ago
      Many such cases
    - ddorian43 4y ago
      I was rate-limited yesterday, but you certainly replied so fast you had no chance to read/listen a little bit. The thing is a non-profit. See https://metabolicmind.org/metabolic-therapy-emerging-evidence/ https://metabolicmind.org/metabolic-therapy-emerging-evidenc... Or a subreddit for keto science https://old.reddit.com/r/ketoscience/search?q=bipolar&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all https://old.reddit.com/r/ketoscience/search?q=bipolar&restri... The top link https://old.reddit.com/r/ketoscience/comments/10bnaoi/ketogenic_diet_as_a_metabolic_therapy_for_bipolar/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ketoscience/comments/10bnaoi/ketoge... https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666915322001494?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S266691532... Or https://brainenergy.com/ https://brainenergy.com/ book. Doctors who do keto for bipolar/schizophrenia basically follow the epilepsy protocols. ---------- Who will pay the studies? Are you gonna wait 40 years for the research to be top notch? There are doctors that have experience and can help you https://www.diagnosisdiet.com/directory https://www.diagnosisdiet.com/directory ---------- EXAMPLE FROM REAL LIFE FOR YOU: I've taken a med that DOES_NOT_WORK_AT_ALL under 100mg, while for me it worked on 25mg, and even 6mg!! There is no research for it. What should I do? Wait 40 years for the research to come up at 6mg?

prmoustache 4y ago

I just eat a bit of everything without doing any excess while avoiding (not 100% of the time though) processed food. What we call mediterranean diet I think. I am based there anyway. Except from cheese and chocolate I mostly buy only raw ingredients and cook myself. I do think this is the most healthy diet, both physically and psychologically as you don't feel like you need to give up something. If I have en envy for say, cookies. First I will cook them myself. That leads to 3 things: 1. I need extra motivation, 20 or so minutes + more dishes to wash on top of the rest of the usual daily cooking. 2. I use basic, raw ingredients I control and not something stuffed supplements, fructose, palm oil and other bad shit. 3. I won't eat them all like there is no tomorrow because I know the value of them and I will have to make them again next time I want some. Having said that I don't refuse the weekly ice cream (but it comes from an artisanal ice cream vendor, not the stuff from the supermarket) and won't give up on the occasionnal restaurant.

ddorian43 4y ago
> I just eat a bit of everything without doing any excess while avoiding (not 100% of the time though) processed food. Have you ever calculated the grams of fat/carbs/protein? *I bet* you're under-eating protein. > What we call mediterranean diet I think. This is not defined. Many countries do it differently.
- dcow 4y ago
  Sounds like they’re happy and healthy. Why are you criticizing?
  - exfatloss 4y ago
    Haha I think that's a common keto response. Person 1: I do keto Person 2: I just eat <moderate/balanced/adequate/healthy/clean> This seems to imply to person 1 that person 1 could do the same, which is often not true. Ketogenic diets have a whole bunch of benefit that no amount of moderation/balance will get to a person with those issues. So ketoers often take issue with such comments when they seem to imply to be just as useful for dealing with said issues.
    - rootusrootus 4y ago
      Ketoers are the ultimate peddlers of bro science.
      - exfatloss 4y ago
        Seems like a legit criticism :) Care to expand?
    - ddorian43 4y ago
      I was mostly looking for protein. Nobody "eating in moderation" includes 500g of beef/day in there. It's usually just carbs or empty-stuff (salads that are mostly water).
  - ddorian43 4y ago
    I just want specifics. "Eating in moderation" often results in 50g of protein/day.

PuppyTailWags 4y ago

Epilepsy-specific ketogenic diets aren't recommended for people who don't have epilepsy. Their high-fat content far outweighs keto diets for diabetic patients or people on keto diets for general weight loss. Also, keto diets don't affect someone's schizophrenia or bipolar disorder.

ddorian43 4y ago
> Epilepsy-specific ketogenic diets aren't recommended for people who don't have epilepsy. Many times you can lower the fat after some time/years even on epilepsy. > Also, keto diets don't affect someone's schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. You're wrong. I'm not saying it will "fix" it, only sometimes. But definitely improve quality of life. You might need epilepsy-keto though. See https://metabolicmind.org/ https://metabolicmind.org/ & https://www.youtube.com/@metabolicmind/videos https://www.youtube.com/@metabolicmind/videos
- PuppyTailWags 4y ago
  Your links generally don't appear to be linking to scientific research groups. Metabolic Mind is funded by a wealthy family whose son claims to be cured of bipolar from a keto diet.
  - exfatloss 4y ago
    Many such cases
  - ddorian43 4y ago
    I was rate-limited yesterday, but you certainly replied so fast you had no chance to read/listen a little bit. The thing is a non-profit. See https://metabolicmind.org/metabolic-therapy-emerging-evidence/ https://metabolicmind.org/metabolic-therapy-emerging-evidenc... Or a subreddit for keto science https://old.reddit.com/r/ketoscience/search?q=bipolar&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all https://old.reddit.com/r/ketoscience/search?q=bipolar&restri... The top link https://old.reddit.com/r/ketoscience/comments/10bnaoi/ketogenic_diet_as_a_metabolic_therapy_for_bipolar/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ketoscience/comments/10bnaoi/ketoge... https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666915322001494?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S266691532... Or https://brainenergy.com/ https://brainenergy.com/ book. Doctors who do keto for bipolar/schizophrenia basically follow the epilepsy protocols. ---------- Who will pay the studies? Are you gonna wait 40 years for the research to be top notch? There are doctors that have experience and can help you https://www.diagnosisdiet.com/directory https://www.diagnosisdiet.com/directory ---------- EXAMPLE FROM REAL LIFE FOR YOU: I've taken a med that DOES_NOT_WORK_AT_ALL under 100mg, while for me it worked on 25mg, and even 6mg!! There is no research for it. What should I do? Wait 40 years for the research to come up at 6mg?