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And, what if I do this? head -c 1048576 /dev/random >not_encrypted_I_promise I can't prove that file isn't actually encrypted data. Are we going to throw

And, what if I do this? head -c 1048576 /dev/random >not_encrypted_I_promise I can't prove that file isn't actually encrypted data. Are we going to throw people in jail for possessing random data without a justification?

tedunangst 15y ago
No, we're only going to throw people in jail for possessing random data and failing to produce encrypted documents we have evidence they possess.
- gcb 15y ago
  that's the most dodged response ever. i think for his question to even be made, it was assumed he was being accused of possessing encrypted something. Let's attach the old guy from france that got into the 3 strike law without even having a computer at the time. Now let's say instead of getting the IP of that old guy from france, the police got the IP of the comment above yours, from let's say mr Buttle. Now they confuse him with Mr Tuttle and assume he has encrypted criminal data. but all they could find on his computer is the file "not_encrypted_i_promise". he is then throw in jail because he failed to provide the password. His infective defense was that he was "playing" with philosophical questions regarding encryption.
  - tedunangst 15y ago
    Then explain that to the judge. The defendant in this case is not claiming to be the victim of mistaken identity.
    - gcb 15y ago
      that was even less to the point. you are good ignore the mistaken identity, was just a means to reach the false/wrong accusation resulting in the experiment he just did convicting him.
      - tedunangst 15y ago
        I don't see the problem. People get convicted based on faulty evidence. The sad fact is it happens. [Yes, that is a problem, but...] Why is cryptography special?
        gcb 15y ago
        read the comment that started this thread. the guy has a file that is pure garbage. not encrypted. the law officers THINK it's encrypted. the judge orders him to give the key. ...there's no key. it's honestly garbage data. That's what make encryption special. It were a safe, the police could crack it open somehow. with encryption, they can just claim it's too advanced to be cracked and that will be treated like you are lying.
furyofantares 15y ago
If they believe it's encrypted data containing incriminating evidence, and you refuse to decrypt it, you may be charged with obstruction of justice. You have no need to prove it isn't actually encrypted data. All you must do is debunk whatever evidence they provide that it is encrypted. The prosecution must present compelling evidence that it isn't random data.

tedunangst 15y ago

No, we're only going to throw people in jail for possessing random data and failing to produce encrypted documents we have evidence they possess.

gcb 15y ago
that's the most dodged response ever. i think for his question to even be made, it was assumed he was being accused of possessing encrypted something. Let's attach the old guy from france that got into the 3 strike law without even having a computer at the time. Now let's say instead of getting the IP of that old guy from france, the police got the IP of the comment above yours, from let's say mr Buttle. Now they confuse him with Mr Tuttle and assume he has encrypted criminal data. but all they could find on his computer is the file "not_encrypted_i_promise". he is then throw in jail because he failed to provide the password. His infective defense was that he was "playing" with philosophical questions regarding encryption.
- tedunangst 15y ago
  Then explain that to the judge. The defendant in this case is not claiming to be the victim of mistaken identity.
  - gcb 15y ago
    that was even less to the point. you are good ignore the mistaken identity, was just a means to reach the false/wrong accusation resulting in the experiment he just did convicting him.
    - tedunangst 15y ago
      I don't see the problem. People get convicted based on faulty evidence. The sad fact is it happens. [Yes, that is a problem, but...] Why is cryptography special?
      - gcb 15y ago
        read the comment that started this thread. the guy has a file that is pure garbage. not encrypted. the law officers THINK it's encrypted. the judge orders him to give the key. ...there's no key. it's honestly garbage data. That's what make encryption special. It were a safe, the police could crack it open somehow. with encryption, they can just claim it's too advanced to be cracked and that will be treated like you are lying.

furyofantares 15y ago

If they believe it's encrypted data containing incriminating evidence, and you refuse to decrypt it, you may be charged with obstruction of justice. You have no need to prove it isn't actually encrypted data. All you must do is debunk whatever evidence they provide that it is encrypted. The prosecution must present compelling evidence that it isn't random data.