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One common one I see here is the anti-ICE or anti-car crowd trying to combine EVs with better housing so people wouldn't have to drive everywhere. It'd be a lo

One common one I see here is the anti-ICE or anti-car crowd trying to combine EVs with better housing so people wouldn't have to drive everywhere. It'd be a lot easier to for people to start supporting, e.g. markets closer to home, if it wasn't conflate with (1) the push for EVs, (2) the push to reduce emissions vis renewable energy. I can support pedestrian-trips without it all being about the EV evolution or about some vague altruistic goal about less emissions. Make it more about my health (more walking), neighborness (seeing people around you that live next to you), convenience (I don't need to drive 15 minutes for a gallon of milk) and cost (may not need 2 cars or even any cars evebtually).

Dalewyn 4y ago
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- _dain_ 4y ago
  I live car-free, formerly in a very hilly city, now in a flat city. I can tell you 100%, the problems I have day to day are not because of the hills or lack thereof. how did I solve this seemingly omnipotent, insurmountable problem of HILLS? I bought an ebike. what you're calling "wildly detached from reality" .. crazy insane, unworkable things like, building safe bike lanes, and designing streets to lower the speed of cars, and having houses close to local businesses so you can do normal stuff without a car .. uniformly where those things are implemented, my life is better, and where they aren't implemented, my life is worse. I can literally feel my mood rising and falling as I go to and from the different areas of the city with people-centric infra vs car-centric infra. my quality of life varies in direct inverse proportion to how much I have to deal with fast-moving car traffic. which one of us is "detached from reality" again?
  - traverseda 4y ago
    What are your winters like?
  - phpisthebest 4y ago
    The detachment from reality is believing that everyone wants to, or would be better off living the style of life you do. Local Shops, people centric, walking and biking none of those things appeal to me. I want large shops where I can buy 2 weeks of provisions, and possibly even lumber for my next home improvement project all in one stop, and not have to go to a store again for weeks. I do not have the desire to walk, or bike, or ebike... and even if I did the vast many months of the year when it is below freezing and ice covered surfaces would make that dangerous. When I do have to venture into the more "people centric" i.e walkable areas of my city I can literally feel my mood falling as I know I will have to hunt for parking and then walk many blocks to my destination.
    - Steltek 4y ago
      It's great that you have plentiful choices that suit your lifestyle. The anti-car crowd does not. The urban/biking lifestyle is illegal in most of the US. Where it is legal, cars are still over-accommodated with large urban boulevards, generous on-street parking, multiple highways cutting through downtown, and a general belief that innocent people being killed or injured by drivers "just happens sometimes, it's so sad".
      - biftek 4y ago
        In what city is it illegal to ride a bike?
        Dalewyn 4y ago
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        Steltek 4y ago
        That's not what I said.
        Dalewyn 4y ago
        >The urban/biking lifestyle is illegal in most of the US. Your quote, emphasis mine.
  - Steltek 4y ago
    If someone's using phrases like "wildly detached from reality" and transparent strawman arguments, they're not looking for honest discussion or to become more informed on the topic. They've calcified their opinion and engaging them is a waste of your time.

Dalewyn 4y ago

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_dain_ 4y ago
I live car-free, formerly in a very hilly city, now in a flat city. I can tell you 100%, the problems I have day to day are not because of the hills or lack thereof. how did I solve this seemingly omnipotent, insurmountable problem of HILLS? I bought an ebike. what you're calling "wildly detached from reality" .. crazy insane, unworkable things like, building safe bike lanes, and designing streets to lower the speed of cars, and having houses close to local businesses so you can do normal stuff without a car .. uniformly where those things are implemented, my life is better, and where they aren't implemented, my life is worse. I can literally feel my mood rising and falling as I go to and from the different areas of the city with people-centric infra vs car-centric infra. my quality of life varies in direct inverse proportion to how much I have to deal with fast-moving car traffic. which one of us is "detached from reality" again?
- traverseda 4y ago
  What are your winters like?
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  The detachment from reality is believing that everyone wants to, or would be better off living the style of life you do. Local Shops, people centric, walking and biking none of those things appeal to me. I want large shops where I can buy 2 weeks of provisions, and possibly even lumber for my next home improvement project all in one stop, and not have to go to a store again for weeks. I do not have the desire to walk, or bike, or ebike... and even if I did the vast many months of the year when it is below freezing and ice covered surfaces would make that dangerous. When I do have to venture into the more "people centric" i.e walkable areas of my city I can literally feel my mood falling as I know I will have to hunt for parking and then walk many blocks to my destination.
  - Steltek 4y ago
    It's great that you have plentiful choices that suit your lifestyle. The anti-car crowd does not. The urban/biking lifestyle is illegal in most of the US. Where it is legal, cars are still over-accommodated with large urban boulevards, generous on-street parking, multiple highways cutting through downtown, and a general belief that innocent people being killed or injured by drivers "just happens sometimes, it's so sad".
    - biftek 4y ago
      In what city is it illegal to ride a bike?
      - Dalewyn 4y ago
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      - Steltek 4y ago
        That's not what I said.
        Dalewyn 4y ago
        >The urban/biking lifestyle is illegal in most of the US. Your quote, emphasis mine.
- Steltek 4y ago
  If someone's using phrases like "wildly detached from reality" and transparent strawman arguments, they're not looking for honest discussion or to become more informed on the topic. They've calcified their opinion and engaging them is a waste of your time.