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Green energy does not have to be able to do 100% of everything to be useful. It is not as simple as CAN Vs CANT. And it won't suddenly flip from CANT to CAN in

by 7952 4y ago

Green energy does not have to be able to do 100% of everything to be useful. It is not as simple as CAN Vs CANT. And it won't suddenly flip from CANT to CAN in an instant.

DrThunder 4y ago
You're strawmanning again. The issue here is everyone knows green energy can't provide enough energy on it's own and yet governments and sjw's every seem to think it's a good idea to pull the rug out of the average middle class person and force them onto green power by taxation, social pressure etc.
- 7952 4y ago
  And your "everyone knows" is an "appeal to the people" falacy. The grid operator in the UK certainly thinks it is possible to have a 100% renewable grid. Although I guess that the political situation in the USA precludes a rational policy. Every argument turns into a culture war sooner or later. The opposition is criticised for moral weakness (child slave battery) whilst your own side are blameless victims.
  - DrThunder 4y ago
    WOW you're going to use the UK as an example for renewable energy right now??? Have you been paying attention at all? https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/05/uk-prepares-for-winter-blackouts-as-energy-rationing-campaign-discussed https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/05/uk-prepares... https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/uk-wind-solar-builders-seek-urgent-response-us-eu-aid-2023-03-09/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/uk-wind-solar-builde... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/01/uk-efforts-to-deal-with-energy-crisis-raise-risk-of-missing-net-zero-target https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/01/uk-effor... https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/feb/21/energy-crisis-ukraine-war-uk-cost-gas https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/feb/21/energy-cris... https://e360.yale.edu/features/africa-europe-solar-wind-power https://e360.yale.edu/features/africa-europe-solar-wind-powe... I'm actually surprised you had the gall to even make this comment. This ISN'T a political side argument. It's a reality argument and it's time for you to wake up. I'm choosing the side that keeps my family I alive during the winter. When/If renewables do that I'll embrace them, right now they aren't cutting it. The hilarity here is you've chosen some cult type rational to convince yourself "renewables" are your Jesus and you'll never stop praying to your renewable "God" even when it strikes you down over and over again. Stop drinking the koolaid bud.
    - 7952 4y ago
      The issues ovet winter in the UK were caused by gas supply concerns and low availability of French nuclear power. I am not really sure why you think that is the fault of the renewable industry. But anyway I pointed to the UK because the grid operator has a plan to deliver 100% renewables. But it doesn't need to be reached immediately and may never be reached. It is not a binary thing. The brilliant thing about electricity is that it is fungible. It is the same regardless of which particular "god" you have faith in. I actually live in a country with full electric heating and much of the electricity comes from renewables. Have not had a power cut for years and am still alive and warm. It is not faith in fossil fuels or renewables that keeps me alive but high quality engineering. That can exist in fossil fuel or renewables.
      - DrThunder 4y ago
        You're right, it's not a binary thing. So, stop using legislation to remove fossil fuels from the people that can't afford your renewables, and then turning around and taxing the shit out of those same people to push renewables that can't stay on par with fossil fuels yet.

by 7952 4y ago

Green energy does not have to be able to do 100% of everything to be useful. It is not as simple as CAN Vs CANT. And it won't suddenly flip from CANT to CAN in an instant.

DrThunder 4y ago

You're strawmanning again. The issue here is everyone knows green energy can't provide enough energy on it's own and yet governments and sjw's every seem to think it's a good idea to pull the rug out of the average middle class person and force them onto green power by taxation, social pressure etc.

7952 4y ago
And your "everyone knows" is an "appeal to the people" falacy. The grid operator in the UK certainly thinks it is possible to have a 100% renewable grid. Although I guess that the political situation in the USA precludes a rational policy. Every argument turns into a culture war sooner or later. The opposition is criticised for moral weakness (child slave battery) whilst your own side are blameless victims.
- DrThunder 4y ago
  WOW you're going to use the UK as an example for renewable energy right now??? Have you been paying attention at all? https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/05/uk-prepares-for-winter-blackouts-as-energy-rationing-campaign-discussed https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/05/uk-prepares... https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/uk-wind-solar-builders-seek-urgent-response-us-eu-aid-2023-03-09/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/uk-wind-solar-builde... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/01/uk-efforts-to-deal-with-energy-crisis-raise-risk-of-missing-net-zero-target https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/01/uk-effor... https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/feb/21/energy-crisis-ukraine-war-uk-cost-gas https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/feb/21/energy-cris... https://e360.yale.edu/features/africa-europe-solar-wind-power https://e360.yale.edu/features/africa-europe-solar-wind-powe... I'm actually surprised you had the gall to even make this comment. This ISN'T a political side argument. It's a reality argument and it's time for you to wake up. I'm choosing the side that keeps my family I alive during the winter. When/If renewables do that I'll embrace them, right now they aren't cutting it. The hilarity here is you've chosen some cult type rational to convince yourself "renewables" are your Jesus and you'll never stop praying to your renewable "God" even when it strikes you down over and over again. Stop drinking the koolaid bud.
  - 7952 4y ago
    The issues ovet winter in the UK were caused by gas supply concerns and low availability of French nuclear power. I am not really sure why you think that is the fault of the renewable industry. But anyway I pointed to the UK because the grid operator has a plan to deliver 100% renewables. But it doesn't need to be reached immediately and may never be reached. It is not a binary thing. The brilliant thing about electricity is that it is fungible. It is the same regardless of which particular "god" you have faith in. I actually live in a country with full electric heating and much of the electricity comes from renewables. Have not had a power cut for years and am still alive and warm. It is not faith in fossil fuels or renewables that keeps me alive but high quality engineering. That can exist in fossil fuel or renewables.
    - DrThunder 4y ago
      You're right, it's not a binary thing. So, stop using legislation to remove fossil fuels from the people that can't afford your renewables, and then turning around and taxing the shit out of those same people to push renewables that can't stay on par with fossil fuels yet.