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I think that's dubious, most people's motivations are only loosely coupled with the goal (if there really is one) of making the world a more efficient place. I

by Vecr 4y ago

I think that's dubious, most people's motivations are only loosely coupled with the goal (if there really is one) of making the world a more efficient place. I guess that's what's good about capitalism, at least in the End of History sense[0]. Gets more people more aligned with general efficiency. Anyway, guess what's not efficient, at least in the standard economic sense? Stockpiling for a pandemic. Got to have a bit of a balance there. [0]: i.e. the system in the US and western Europe that prevailed over the USSR at the end of the cold war, technically not "real" capitalism.

js8 4y ago
> most people's motivations are only loosely coupled with the goal (if there really is one) of making the world a more efficient place That's my point! Your personal AI (in collaboration with other AIs) can take care of figuring that out as needed. You don't need capitalism anymore.
- Vecr 4y ago
  Right, but one of my points above is that AIs would quite possibly miss things or fail in general to make the comprehensive and sophisticated tradeoffs between efficiency and fragility on one side and inefficiency and robustness on the other. They could also miss cases where being less efficient is more fragile and being more efficient is less fragile. I really don't think leaving everything to AIs is a good idea, and having a whole lot of them could cause weird interactions to develop that would need to be monitored by humans.
  - js8 4y ago
    Ever heard of reinforcement learning, AlphaGo, AlphaStar? AIs can already make that trade-off and rather well. AlphaGo was actually better than humans to play robust moves that cement its victory than riskier moves that increase the winning margin.
    - Vecr 4y ago
      Right, but then you go back to the whole "AI alignment" thing and you need to make sure you reinforce the right things during training.

by Vecr 4y ago

js8 4y ago

> most people's motivations are only loosely coupled with the goal (if there really is one) of making the world a more efficient place That's my point! Your personal AI (in collaboration with other AIs) can take care of figuring that out as needed. You don't need capitalism anymore.

Vecr 4y ago
Right, but one of my points above is that AIs would quite possibly miss things or fail in general to make the comprehensive and sophisticated tradeoffs between efficiency and fragility on one side and inefficiency and robustness on the other. They could also miss cases where being less efficient is more fragile and being more efficient is less fragile. I really don't think leaving everything to AIs is a good idea, and having a whole lot of them could cause weird interactions to develop that would need to be monitored by humans.
- js8 4y ago
  Ever heard of reinforcement learning, AlphaGo, AlphaStar? AIs can already make that trade-off and rather well. AlphaGo was actually better than humans to play robust moves that cement its victory than riskier moves that increase the winning margin.
  - Vecr 4y ago
    Right, but then you go back to the whole "AI alignment" thing and you need to make sure you reinforce the right things during training.