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Net neutrality is one of those peacetime aspirations that simply does not matter as much as the ongoing culture war, climate crisis, political stability crisis,

Net neutrality is one of those peacetime aspirations that simply does not matter as much as the ongoing culture war, climate crisis, political stability crisis, economic crisis, pandemic aftermath, and the literal (hot/shooting) war in Ukraine. The center has eroded to the point where net neutrality only matters to many people if it has an impact on one of the above. Yet any appeal to one side of the above issues will serve to alienate the other. This means that you can't really get enough oxygen in the room to shout over the shouty people already shouting about the above. I bet you dimes to dollars that other center/administrative issues are similarly affected.

eitland 4y ago
Not spitting on the floor also is less important than a lot of other things. But it is so simple and considered baseline behavior so I would still support yelling at you if you spit at the floor even while the war is still ongoing an we haven't stopped the attackers. Same goes for net neutrality: there is even less effort needed. I mean: complying with the rules is as simple as not introducing a number of rules or devices in your network setup.
- 1attice 4y ago
  No argument here. I believe that a loss of NN will have tragic, avoidable, predictable outcomes. It is, as you say, not a high-effort policy, so an argument-from-undue-difficulty would not support its dissolution. That said, you don't seem to be interacting with my claim -- I'm not saying net neutrality is unimportant, I'm saying it's undervalued right now. Because of the wars/permacrises. I think upon closer read you'll find our views are relatively aligned.
  - eitland 4y ago
    Ok. You are probably right, in which case you have my apologies!
shp0ngle 4y ago
This is true. It’s hard to imagine in 2023 4chan, reddit and wikipedia all turning dark because of net neutrality. It feels like “we used to care about that?” issue.

eitland 4y ago

Not spitting on the floor also is less important than a lot of other things. But it is so simple and considered baseline behavior so I would still support yelling at you if you spit at the floor even while the war is still ongoing an we haven't stopped the attackers. Same goes for net neutrality: there is even less effort needed. I mean: complying with the rules is as simple as not introducing a number of rules or devices in your network setup.

1attice 4y ago
No argument here. I believe that a loss of NN will have tragic, avoidable, predictable outcomes. It is, as you say, not a high-effort policy, so an argument-from-undue-difficulty would not support its dissolution. That said, you don't seem to be interacting with my claim -- I'm not saying net neutrality is unimportant, I'm saying it's undervalued right now. Because of the wars/permacrises. I think upon closer read you'll find our views are relatively aligned.
- eitland 4y ago
  Ok. You are probably right, in which case you have my apologies!

shp0ngle 4y ago

This is true. It’s hard to imagine in 2023 4chan, reddit and wikipedia all turning dark because of net neutrality. It feels like “we used to care about that?” issue.