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There was a flagged post on EcoTank yesterday, that was basically an ad with no news. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35040214 https://news.ycombinator.co

There was a flagged post on EcoTank yesterday, that was basically an ad with no news. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35040214 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35040214 My comment is currently I believe the top comment there, talking about how these things have a designed-to-fail Ink Waste Tank or Ink Waste Pad, and an internal Ink Counter that locks up the printer after a certain amount of printing. I'm not 100% absolutely certain, but I've ran into numerous semi-trustworthy reports & videos while searching for printers. (Amid many glowing reviews of people who've had theirs for 1 week to a couple of months.) I seriously lusted after the EcoTank L1800 for a while, after @leashless posted about them being a super interesting "10x" product back in 2015 then 2018. But by then they were already only available in a couple secondary markets (ex: Brazil). For a while though they had been sold widely. It feels quite likely to me that Epson knew they built a deliberately designed-to-fail product, sold it for a bit, realized they were going to get in trouble, sold it only to a couple assorted countries, didn't change the product, & now is trying again. https://twitter.com/leashless/status/630192409293508609 https://twitter.com/leashless/status/630192409293508609 https://twitter.com/leashless/status/630192409293508609 https://twitter.com/leashless/status/630192409293508609 (The cheap Moonman M2 fountain pens leashless linked were/are indeed pretty sweet though.)

lbwtaylor 4y ago
> designed-to-fail Ink Waste Tank or Ink Waste Pad Then buy one with a replaceable pad like the Epson 5150. The replacement costs....drum roll ... $10. My last color laser had a non serviceable fuser rated for 20,000 pages and that's what I got out of it. I replaced it with a color ecotank and it's just a better product. Look up the price of my ink vs the price of comparible color toner and there is simply no comparison. Even color toner generics, which are not perfect, are more expensive. It's fine to have scepticism over ink printers, or any printers. But it's not all rainbows and sunshine with other options either (other than a basic black laser I guess)
- usrusr 4y ago
  There is no ink economy improvement that cannot be countered in favor of dry toner with an even lower printing frequency. Printing frequency used to be thought in pages per day, now it can be years per page and still be too high to forego having a printer. I have toner that would last decades for my old Samsung, unfortunately some element of paper transport ceased working.

lbwtaylor 4y ago

> designed-to-fail Ink Waste Tank or Ink Waste Pad Then buy one with a replaceable pad like the Epson 5150. The replacement costs....drum roll ... $10. My last color laser had a non serviceable fuser rated for 20,000 pages and that's what I got out of it. I replaced it with a color ecotank and it's just a better product. Look up the price of my ink vs the price of comparible color toner and there is simply no comparison. Even color toner generics, which are not perfect, are more expensive. It's fine to have scepticism over ink printers, or any printers. But it's not all rainbows and sunshine with other options either (other than a basic black laser I guess)

usrusr 4y ago
There is no ink economy improvement that cannot be countered in favor of dry toner with an even lower printing frequency. Printing frequency used to be thought in pages per day, now it can be years per page and still be too high to forego having a printer. I have toner that would last decades for my old Samsung, unfortunately some element of paper transport ceased working.