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Do you have any references for this statement. I'm not arguing there are no externalities (there are externalities in just about every choice we make). I just

Do you have any references for this statement. I'm not arguing there are no externalities (there are externalities in just about every choice we make). I just haven't been convinced that there are common egregious externalities at the level of dumping raw sewage into the creek.

stouset 4y ago
How many sources would you like? Of course it’s not going to be on the same order as literally dumping raw sewage into the surrounding area. But there is an enormous body of research demonstrating the overall drain of resources from economically-productive urban areas out to costly suburban ones. Then there’s the carbon cost of enormous, congested highways and stroads where people idle in traffic for hours of their day. Or the overall inefficiency of providing general city services (water, power, sewer) to people in comparatively sparse areas (which ties back into the resource drain imposed on denser areas).
- elbigbad 4y ago
  I would, personally, love to read at least one source. Which you didn’t even provide for some reason. And I mean that, I would happily read any source you provide, with a preference for more academic sources.
  - stouset 4y ago
    One it is. Link to original academic source is in the first sentence. https://cayimby.org/sprawl-costs-the-u-s-1-trillion-every-year/ https://cayimby.org/sprawl-costs-the-u-s-1-trillion-every-ye... Actually I’m an overachiever. Let’s do two! Direct academic reference. https://www.jstor.org/stable/3325575 https://www.jstor.org/stable/3325575
    - PopAlongKid 4y ago
      From the first link: "reduce the productivity of nearby lands, for example, by [...] driving up land prices beyond what local residents can afford." What nonsense is this?
bandofthehawk 4y ago
Are you looking for references that dense population areas subsidize the less dense areas? Strong towns has lots of examples, here's one: https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2017/1/9/the-real-reason-your-city-has-no-money https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2017/1/9/the-real-reason...

stouset 4y ago

How many sources would you like? Of course it’s not going to be on the same order as literally dumping raw sewage into the surrounding area. But there is an enormous body of research demonstrating the overall drain of resources from economically-productive urban areas out to costly suburban ones. Then there’s the carbon cost of enormous, congested highways and stroads where people idle in traffic for hours of their day. Or the overall inefficiency of providing general city services (water, power, sewer) to people in comparatively sparse areas (which ties back into the resource drain imposed on denser areas).

elbigbad 4y ago
I would, personally, love to read at least one source. Which you didn’t even provide for some reason. And I mean that, I would happily read any source you provide, with a preference for more academic sources.
- stouset 4y ago
  One it is. Link to original academic source is in the first sentence. https://cayimby.org/sprawl-costs-the-u-s-1-trillion-every-year/ https://cayimby.org/sprawl-costs-the-u-s-1-trillion-every-ye... Actually I’m an overachiever. Let’s do two! Direct academic reference. https://www.jstor.org/stable/3325575 https://www.jstor.org/stable/3325575
  - PopAlongKid 4y ago
    From the first link: "reduce the productivity of nearby lands, for example, by [...] driving up land prices beyond what local residents can afford." What nonsense is this?

bandofthehawk 4y ago

Are you looking for references that dense population areas subsidize the less dense areas? Strong towns has lots of examples, here's one: https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2017/1/9/the-real-reason-your-city-has-no-money https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2017/1/9/the-real-reason...