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An aboriginal man in Australia is suing on exactly that basis - he has a lower life expectancy and so wants access to the pension earlier. https://www.sbs.com.

An aboriginal man in Australia is suing on exactly that basis - he has a lower life expectancy and so wants access to the pension earlier. https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/uncle-dennis-is-taking-the-federal-government-to-court-to-get-his-pension-early/r919ishr0 https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/uncle-dennis-is-taking-t...

grecy 4y ago
I've always wondered about suing the government for raising the retirement age. They're changing the deal we agreed to, without my consent. If I had known the full extent of the altered deal (i.e. no retirement till 69), I would have made different decisions from the start. If I have a 20 year mortgage with the bank I can't just change the terms so that the deal suits me better. Why can the government do that with my retirement age, with zero repercussions?
- diffeomorphism 4y ago
  Usually they don't. For everyone currently over 50 nothing changes. For people between 40 and 50 one more year.... So only a fraction of the population is affected and young people don't have a lobby.
  - grecy 4y ago
    > For everyone currently over 50 nothing changes. For people between 40 and 50 one more year.... So only a fraction of the population is affected and young people don't have a lobby. So I'll go to the bank tell them I'm just not going to pay the last year or two of my mortgage? Or a car dealer and tell them I'm simply going to pay less for their car without them being able to say no? You just said the same thing - "it's only a small inconvenience, so it's fine".
- __turbobrew__ 4y ago
  The government regularly screws people over without their consent. The repercussions is to protest and make the government’s life as miserable as possible.
  - fathyb 4y ago
    It's very hard to make someone's life miserable when they're living in the Élysée palace, eating 5k€ breakfasts.
  - fidgewidge 4y ago
    No, the repercussion is to realize you can't rely on government and stop voting for governments that make lots of promises. This is what happens when a society rejects libertarianism. Instead of a nice private pension provider you can take to court you have the government, who forbid others from running Ponzi schemes whilst forcing everyone to take part in theirs.
TheHappyOddish 4y ago
Wonder why race is the metric here? Men also have shorter lifespans, and I assume there will be other constants that correlate with life expectancy (height, hair colour, genetic disposition to disease, etc).

grecy 4y ago

I've always wondered about suing the government for raising the retirement age. They're changing the deal we agreed to, without my consent. If I had known the full extent of the altered deal (i.e. no retirement till 69), I would have made different decisions from the start. If I have a 20 year mortgage with the bank I can't just change the terms so that the deal suits me better. Why can the government do that with my retirement age, with zero repercussions?

diffeomorphism 4y ago
Usually they don't. For everyone currently over 50 nothing changes. For people between 40 and 50 one more year.... So only a fraction of the population is affected and young people don't have a lobby.
- grecy 4y ago
  > For everyone currently over 50 nothing changes. For people between 40 and 50 one more year.... So only a fraction of the population is affected and young people don't have a lobby. So I'll go to the bank tell them I'm just not going to pay the last year or two of my mortgage? Or a car dealer and tell them I'm simply going to pay less for their car without them being able to say no? You just said the same thing - "it's only a small inconvenience, so it's fine".
__turbobrew__ 4y ago
The government regularly screws people over without their consent. The repercussions is to protest and make the government’s life as miserable as possible.
- fathyb 4y ago
  It's very hard to make someone's life miserable when they're living in the Élysée palace, eating 5k€ breakfasts.
- fidgewidge 4y ago
  No, the repercussion is to realize you can't rely on government and stop voting for governments that make lots of promises. This is what happens when a society rejects libertarianism. Instead of a nice private pension provider you can take to court you have the government, who forbid others from running Ponzi schemes whilst forcing everyone to take part in theirs.

TheHappyOddish 4y ago

Wonder why race is the metric here? Men also have shorter lifespans, and I assume there will be other constants that correlate with life expectancy (height, hair colour, genetic disposition to disease, etc).