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Oh stop with the strawman attacks and wake up. You're being fed bs by your side just as much as the oil industry feeds their "constituents" lies. Big Green ener

Oh stop with the strawman attacks and wake up. You're being fed bs by your side just as much as the oil industry feeds their "constituents" lies. Big Green energy is backed by massive amounts of money and political interests just like big oil and it's not even close to replacing fossil fuels as a main energy source. All you need to do is ask Europe how things are going now that they don't have natural gas coming in from Russia. Here's the deal... right now, fossil fuels heat my home, get me to work, cook my food, create a massive amount of the household products I own. They've kept my family alive and well and several generations back as well. Green Energy CAN'T do this effectively at all right now. If/When it does I'll switch. However, I'm not going to listen to some shill, bully and shame me into using something because they feel they're morally justified in doing so.

7952 4y ago
Green energy does not have to be able to do 100% of everything to be useful. It is not as simple as CAN Vs CANT. And it won't suddenly flip from CANT to CAN in an instant.
- DrThunder 4y ago
  You're strawmanning again. The issue here is everyone knows green energy can't provide enough energy on it's own and yet governments and sjw's every seem to think it's a good idea to pull the rug out of the average middle class person and force them onto green power by taxation, social pressure etc.
  - 7952 4y ago
    And your "everyone knows" is an "appeal to the people" falacy. The grid operator in the UK certainly thinks it is possible to have a 100% renewable grid. Although I guess that the political situation in the USA precludes a rational policy. Every argument turns into a culture war sooner or later. The opposition is criticised for moral weakness (child slave battery) whilst your own side are blameless victims.
    - DrThunder 4y ago
      WOW you're going to use the UK as an example for renewable energy right now??? Have you been paying attention at all? https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/05/uk-prepares-for-winter-blackouts-as-energy-rationing-campaign-discussed https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/05/uk-prepares... https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/uk-wind-solar-builders-seek-urgent-response-us-eu-aid-2023-03-09/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/uk-wind-solar-builde... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/01/uk-efforts-to-deal-with-energy-crisis-raise-risk-of-missing-net-zero-target https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/01/uk-effor... https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/feb/21/energy-crisis-ukraine-war-uk-cost-gas https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/feb/21/energy-cris... https://e360.yale.edu/features/africa-europe-solar-wind-power https://e360.yale.edu/features/africa-europe-solar-wind-powe... I'm actually surprised you had the gall to even make this comment. This ISN'T a political side argument. It's a reality argument and it's time for you to wake up. I'm choosing the side that keeps my family I alive during the winter. When/If renewables do that I'll embrace them, right now they aren't cutting it. The hilarity here is you've chosen some cult type rational to convince yourself "renewables" are your Jesus and you'll never stop praying to your renewable "God" even when it strikes you down over and over again. Stop drinking the koolaid bud.
      - 7952 4y ago
        The issues ovet winter in the UK were caused by gas supply concerns and low availability of French nuclear power. I am not really sure why you think that is the fault of the renewable industry. But anyway I pointed to the UK because the grid operator has a plan to deliver 100% renewables. But it doesn't need to be reached immediately and may never be reached. It is not a binary thing. The brilliant thing about electricity is that it is fungible. It is the same regardless of which particular "god" you have faith in. I actually live in a country with full electric heating and much of the electricity comes from renewables. Have not had a power cut for years and am still alive and warm. It is not faith in fossil fuels or renewables that keeps me alive but high quality engineering. That can exist in fossil fuel or renewables.
        4y ago

7952 4y ago

Green energy does not have to be able to do 100% of everything to be useful. It is not as simple as CAN Vs CANT. And it won't suddenly flip from CANT to CAN in an instant.

DrThunder 4y ago
You're strawmanning again. The issue here is everyone knows green energy can't provide enough energy on it's own and yet governments and sjw's every seem to think it's a good idea to pull the rug out of the average middle class person and force them onto green power by taxation, social pressure etc.
- 7952 4y ago
  And your "everyone knows" is an "appeal to the people" falacy. The grid operator in the UK certainly thinks it is possible to have a 100% renewable grid. Although I guess that the political situation in the USA precludes a rational policy. Every argument turns into a culture war sooner or later. The opposition is criticised for moral weakness (child slave battery) whilst your own side are blameless victims.
  - DrThunder 4y ago
    WOW you're going to use the UK as an example for renewable energy right now??? Have you been paying attention at all? https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/05/uk-prepares-for-winter-blackouts-as-energy-rationing-campaign-discussed https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/05/uk-prepares... https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/uk-wind-solar-builders-seek-urgent-response-us-eu-aid-2023-03-09/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/uk-wind-solar-builde... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/01/uk-efforts-to-deal-with-energy-crisis-raise-risk-of-missing-net-zero-target https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/01/uk-effor... https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/feb/21/energy-crisis-ukraine-war-uk-cost-gas https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/feb/21/energy-cris... https://e360.yale.edu/features/africa-europe-solar-wind-power https://e360.yale.edu/features/africa-europe-solar-wind-powe... I'm actually surprised you had the gall to even make this comment. This ISN'T a political side argument. It's a reality argument and it's time for you to wake up. I'm choosing the side that keeps my family I alive during the winter. When/If renewables do that I'll embrace them, right now they aren't cutting it. The hilarity here is you've chosen some cult type rational to convince yourself "renewables" are your Jesus and you'll never stop praying to your renewable "God" even when it strikes you down over and over again. Stop drinking the koolaid bud.
    - 7952 4y ago
      The issues ovet winter in the UK were caused by gas supply concerns and low availability of French nuclear power. I am not really sure why you think that is the fault of the renewable industry. But anyway I pointed to the UK because the grid operator has a plan to deliver 100% renewables. But it doesn't need to be reached immediately and may never be reached. It is not a binary thing. The brilliant thing about electricity is that it is fungible. It is the same regardless of which particular "god" you have faith in. I actually live in a country with full electric heating and much of the electricity comes from renewables. Have not had a power cut for years and am still alive and warm. It is not faith in fossil fuels or renewables that keeps me alive but high quality engineering. That can exist in fossil fuel or renewables.
      - 4y ago