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The oil industry uses slave labor to mine cobalt in the congo with zero environmental concerns on how they get it out of the ground? Your lie is promulgated by

The oil industry uses slave labor to mine cobalt in the congo with zero environmental concerns on how they get it out of the ground? Your lie is promulgated by the "green energy" industry. There's just as much money and bs coming from the other side. You can't pretend there's not when you have massive donors and and entire elitist political party backing something like that.

jeffbee 4y ago
You have fallen into a trap. You are informed enough to be concern-trolled by fossil fuel propaganda, but not well-enough informed to realize it. Many battery technologies need no fancy metals. Even lithium is optional. But lithium, even if we have to get it, has an environmental footprint far smaller than fossil fuels production. Other things that have dramatically larger environmental footprints than lithium include soap and table salt.
- DrThunder 4y ago
  Oh stop with the strawman attacks and wake up. You're being fed bs by your side just as much as the oil industry feeds their "constituents" lies. Big Green energy is backed by massive amounts of money and political interests just like big oil and it's not even close to replacing fossil fuels as a main energy source. All you need to do is ask Europe how things are going now that they don't have natural gas coming in from Russia. Here's the deal... right now, fossil fuels heat my home, get me to work, cook my food, create a massive amount of the household products I own. They've kept my family alive and well and several generations back as well. Green Energy CAN'T do this effectively at all right now. If/When it does I'll switch. However, I'm not going to listen to some shill, bully and shame me into using something because they feel they're morally justified in doing so.
  - 7952 4y ago
    Green energy does not have to be able to do 100% of everything to be useful. It is not as simple as CAN Vs CANT. And it won't suddenly flip from CANT to CAN in an instant.
    - DrThunder 4y ago
      You're strawmanning again. The issue here is everyone knows green energy can't provide enough energy on it's own and yet governments and sjw's every seem to think it's a good idea to pull the rug out of the average middle class person and force them onto green power by taxation, social pressure etc.
      - 7952 4y ago
        And your "everyone knows" is an "appeal to the people" falacy. The grid operator in the UK certainly thinks it is possible to have a 100% renewable grid. Although I guess that the political situation in the USA precludes a rational policy. Every argument turns into a culture war sooner or later. The opposition is criticised for moral weakness (child slave battery) whilst your own side are blameless victims.
        DrThunder 4y ago
        WOW you're going to use the UK as an example for renewable energy right now??? Have you been paying attention at all? https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/05/uk-prepares-for-winter-blackouts-as-energy-rationing-campaign-discussed https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/05/uk-prepares... https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/uk-wind-solar-builders-seek-urgent-response-us-eu-aid-2023-03-09/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/uk-wind-solar-builde... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/01/uk-efforts-to-deal-with-energy-crisis-raise-risk-of-missing-net-zero-target https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/01/uk-effor... https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/feb/21/energy-crisis-ukraine-war-uk-cost-gas https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/feb/21/energy-cris... https://e360.yale.edu/features/africa-europe-solar-wind-power https://e360.yale.edu/features/africa-europe-solar-wind-powe... I'm actually surprised you had the gall to even make this comment. This ISN'T a political side argument. It's a reality argument and it's time for you to wake up. I'm choosing the side that keeps my family I alive during the winter. When/If renewables do that I'll embrace them, right now they aren't cutting it. The hilarity here is you've chosen some cult type rational to convince yourself "renewables" are your Jesus and you'll never stop praying to your renewable "God" even when it strikes you down over and over again. Stop drinking the koolaid bud.

jeffbee 4y ago

You have fallen into a trap. You are informed enough to be concern-trolled by fossil fuel propaganda, but not well-enough informed to realize it. Many battery technologies need no fancy metals. Even lithium is optional. But lithium, even if we have to get it, has an environmental footprint far smaller than fossil fuels production. Other things that have dramatically larger environmental footprints than lithium include soap and table salt.

DrThunder 4y ago
Oh stop with the strawman attacks and wake up. You're being fed bs by your side just as much as the oil industry feeds their "constituents" lies. Big Green energy is backed by massive amounts of money and political interests just like big oil and it's not even close to replacing fossil fuels as a main energy source. All you need to do is ask Europe how things are going now that they don't have natural gas coming in from Russia. Here's the deal... right now, fossil fuels heat my home, get me to work, cook my food, create a massive amount of the household products I own. They've kept my family alive and well and several generations back as well. Green Energy CAN'T do this effectively at all right now. If/When it does I'll switch. However, I'm not going to listen to some shill, bully and shame me into using something because they feel they're morally justified in doing so.
- 7952 4y ago
  Green energy does not have to be able to do 100% of everything to be useful. It is not as simple as CAN Vs CANT. And it won't suddenly flip from CANT to CAN in an instant.
  - DrThunder 4y ago
    You're strawmanning again. The issue here is everyone knows green energy can't provide enough energy on it's own and yet governments and sjw's every seem to think it's a good idea to pull the rug out of the average middle class person and force them onto green power by taxation, social pressure etc.
    - 7952 4y ago
      And your "everyone knows" is an "appeal to the people" falacy. The grid operator in the UK certainly thinks it is possible to have a 100% renewable grid. Although I guess that the political situation in the USA precludes a rational policy. Every argument turns into a culture war sooner or later. The opposition is criticised for moral weakness (child slave battery) whilst your own side are blameless victims.
      - DrThunder 4y ago
        WOW you're going to use the UK as an example for renewable energy right now??? Have you been paying attention at all? https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/05/uk-prepares-for-winter-blackouts-as-energy-rationing-campaign-discussed https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/05/uk-prepares... https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/uk-wind-solar-builders-seek-urgent-response-us-eu-aid-2023-03-09/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/uk-wind-solar-builde... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/01/uk-efforts-to-deal-with-energy-crisis-raise-risk-of-missing-net-zero-target https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/01/uk-effor... https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/feb/21/energy-crisis-ukraine-war-uk-cost-gas https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/feb/21/energy-cris... https://e360.yale.edu/features/africa-europe-solar-wind-power https://e360.yale.edu/features/africa-europe-solar-wind-powe... I'm actually surprised you had the gall to even make this comment. This ISN'T a political side argument. It's a reality argument and it's time for you to wake up. I'm choosing the side that keeps my family I alive during the winter. When/If renewables do that I'll embrace them, right now they aren't cutting it. The hilarity here is you've chosen some cult type rational to convince yourself "renewables" are your Jesus and you'll never stop praying to your renewable "God" even when it strikes you down over and over again. Stop drinking the koolaid bud.