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> I don't think that there are any winners in Brexit. ... Absolutely no winners. Russia, of course. Their investments in Murdoch media and other hyperpartisan

by paulmd 4y ago

> I don't think that there are any winners in Brexit. ... Absolutely no winners. Russia, of course. Their investments in Murdoch media and other hyperpartisan media and disinformation-warfare techniques have paid massive dividends - the US is the most hyper-polarized it's been since the civil war, the UK has been pulled out of the EU fold are both massive successes. Australia and Canada and several other countries are dealing with similar polarization - although of course not Murdoch media in Canada, but it's not a coincidence that the other three are all Murdoch strongholds. Not a coincidence the NRA got busted for funnelling russian money into US politics and working hand-in-glove with russian intelligence operators, and I don't think they're the only one, not even close. Just as the republican majority leader noted in 2017 - there's probably even a few specific congresspeople and other powerful politicians on the Russian payroll. Throw in a few shells for plausible deniability and it's all for sale. The performative theatrics around ukraine have certainly been interesting and I don't think it's all just ritual opposition to whatever the party in power is doing either. The politicians McCarthy identified have been particularly outspoken too. As they say: "Lock it up, no leaks, that's how we know we're family here."

notahacker 4y ago
Russia seems to have indirectly lost out from its leader convincing himself he's a political mastermind who can get other countries to dance to his tune too... (and as far as Brexit goes they undoubtedly funnelled a lot of money to certain campaigns, but Mail/Murdoch coverage of the EU in the UK was just as hysterical in the 1990s when Russia was a non factor)
borissk 4y ago
Think you need to separate between Russia and the Putin regime. Putin and his friends/oligarchs/corrupted officials/KGB agents have kept the regular russians very very poor. What does a regular russian citizen gain from increased corruption in EU - that used to be Russia's biggest trading partner? Or from a potential civil war in US, that is the source of most progress and new technology in the world?
- thrill 4y ago
  "Think you need to separate between Russia and the Putin regime." Once the Russian people can do that, the rest of us can too.
- red-iron-pine 4y ago
  > Think you need to separate between Russia and the Putin regime. Putin and his friends/oligarchs/corrupted officials/KGB agents have kept the regular russians very very poor. What is the difference between the people and the regime? The GOP lost elections; they voted in Obama, and later Biden. Control of the House and Senate changes, or is often perilously close. There is no such change in Russia. There is only the regime, and it's grasp on the country is stronger than ever. > Or from a potential civil war in US, that is the source of most progress and new technology in the world? the only ones who think civil war is a real possibility in the US are foreign intelligence types pushing for destabilization, or a handful of GOP politicians trying to ride the hard right for their advantage. for all of the Texas will be independent grandstanding, it's just that -- grandstanding.

by paulmd 4y ago

notahacker 4y ago

Russia seems to have indirectly lost out from its leader convincing himself he's a political mastermind who can get other countries to dance to his tune too... (and as far as Brexit goes they undoubtedly funnelled a lot of money to certain campaigns, but Mail/Murdoch coverage of the EU in the UK was just as hysterical in the 1990s when Russia was a non factor)

borissk 4y ago

Think you need to separate between Russia and the Putin regime. Putin and his friends/oligarchs/corrupted officials/KGB agents have kept the regular russians very very poor. What does a regular russian citizen gain from increased corruption in EU - that used to be Russia's biggest trading partner? Or from a potential civil war in US, that is the source of most progress and new technology in the world?

thrill 4y ago
"Think you need to separate between Russia and the Putin regime." Once the Russian people can do that, the rest of us can too.
red-iron-pine 4y ago
> Think you need to separate between Russia and the Putin regime. Putin and his friends/oligarchs/corrupted officials/KGB agents have kept the regular russians very very poor. What is the difference between the people and the regime? The GOP lost elections; they voted in Obama, and later Biden. Control of the House and Senate changes, or is often perilously close. There is no such change in Russia. There is only the regime, and it's grasp on the country is stronger than ever. > Or from a potential civil war in US, that is the source of most progress and new technology in the world? the only ones who think civil war is a real possibility in the US are foreign intelligence types pushing for destabilization, or a handful of GOP politicians trying to ride the hard right for their advantage. for all of the Texas will be independent grandstanding, it's just that -- grandstanding.