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Very cool concept. Reminds me of the intended use case of Nebula, which seems very similar to this. If you're interested in a bare-bones and totally self-hoste

Very cool concept. Reminds me of the intended use case of Nebula, which seems very similar to this. If you're interested in a bare-bones and totally self-hosted option, it could be a good choice here. https://github.com/slackhq/nebula https://github.com/slackhq/nebula

wizzard0 4y ago
There’s a reimplementation of the Tailscale control plane called Headscale, if you want to self-host. I’d try to use that first, because sadly Nebula and ZeroTier don’t have a relay/TCP/HTTPS fallback option and still “have no plans of implementing one” as of Mar 2023, which leaves you out of luck as soon as you encounter NATs or try to access your cluster from an airport/hotel wifi Maybe you know of other mesh/p2p VPNs that do support TCP fallback though? Would be great to see some alternatives in this area
- Nezteb 4y ago
  Relevant: https://github.com/anderspitman/awesome-tunneling https://github.com/anderspitman/awesome-tunneling
- sconi 4y ago
  we're focused on this very thing - https://bowtie.works https://bowtie.works
  - lifty 4y ago
    does Bowtie aim to provide the same functionality as Tailscale ?
    - sconi 4y ago
      A lot of the concepts are similar, yes. A few key differences exist, specifically as it relates to architecture and user experience.
- harporoeder 4y ago
  Nebula implemented UDP(?) Relay support (1) last year although it is marked experimental. 1. https://github.com/slackhq/nebula/pull/678 https://github.com/slackhq/nebula/pull/678
  - LeBit 4y ago
    I've been using the relay for months. It is very stable BUT, it sometimes takes minutes before peers realize they can also talk to each other on the local network.
- miedpo 4y ago
  Pretty sure ZeroTier supports relaying (I remember reading some of their earlier blogs and it mentioning something to that effect). In practice, you just have to turn off the uPnP in Settings to use it I've found. Edit: Yep, just found a reference to it: https://docs.zerotier.com/zerotier/troubleshooting/ https://docs.zerotier.com/zerotier/troubleshooting/ (Sorry, no direct link, so you'll need to Ctrl-F and look for Relay)
evulhotdog 4y ago
They actually have a (semi) hosted solution these days. I evaluated it for one of my projects but it was not fitting the bill for reasons outside of their control, https://www.defined.net/ https://www.defined.net/

wizzard0 4y ago

There’s a reimplementation of the Tailscale control plane called Headscale, if you want to self-host. I’d try to use that first, because sadly Nebula and ZeroTier don’t have a relay/TCP/HTTPS fallback option and still “have no plans of implementing one” as of Mar 2023, which leaves you out of luck as soon as you encounter NATs or try to access your cluster from an airport/hotel wifi Maybe you know of other mesh/p2p VPNs that do support TCP fallback though? Would be great to see some alternatives in this area

Nezteb 4y ago
Relevant: https://github.com/anderspitman/awesome-tunneling https://github.com/anderspitman/awesome-tunneling
sconi 4y ago
we're focused on this very thing - https://bowtie.works https://bowtie.works
- lifty 4y ago
  does Bowtie aim to provide the same functionality as Tailscale ?
  - sconi 4y ago
    A lot of the concepts are similar, yes. A few key differences exist, specifically as it relates to architecture and user experience.
harporoeder 4y ago
Nebula implemented UDP(?) Relay support (1) last year although it is marked experimental. 1. https://github.com/slackhq/nebula/pull/678 https://github.com/slackhq/nebula/pull/678
- LeBit 4y ago
  I've been using the relay for months. It is very stable BUT, it sometimes takes minutes before peers realize they can also talk to each other on the local network.
miedpo 4y ago
Pretty sure ZeroTier supports relaying (I remember reading some of their earlier blogs and it mentioning something to that effect). In practice, you just have to turn off the uPnP in Settings to use it I've found. Edit: Yep, just found a reference to it: https://docs.zerotier.com/zerotier/troubleshooting/ https://docs.zerotier.com/zerotier/troubleshooting/ (Sorry, no direct link, so you'll need to Ctrl-F and look for Relay)

evulhotdog 4y ago

They actually have a (semi) hosted solution these days. I evaluated it for one of my projects but it was not fitting the bill for reasons outside of their control, https://www.defined.net/ https://www.defined.net/