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My experience is that I see a LOT more complaints about these sorts of behaviors than I see the actual behavior. I think it's honestly just a meme that's gotten

My experience is that I see a LOT more complaints about these sorts of behaviors than I see the actual behavior. I think it's honestly just a meme that's gotten out of hand at this point. Speaking as someone who is not part of the Rust community and knows comparatively little about the language.

kaba0 4y ago
In my surface-level interactions with the community I have found it to be absolutely kind and helpful.
infamouscow 4y ago
You must not see the C or C++ threads. :) Virtually every C or C++ thread on HN for the last several years is littered with comments from Rust zealots demonizing and condemning other humans for being working in C or C++ codebases.
- SleepyMyroslav 4y ago
  C or C++ threads on HN are often not about something great. Recend thread on SHA-3 vulnerabilities as example [0]. If security standards providers fail to write secure C code where does this put average Joe? I mean the whole 'pride' threads of people who 'enjoy writing C' or C++ look as strange on HN as Rust brigading. Its funny how there is no C or C++ pride thread on a day when vulnerabilities hit frontpage. PS. I have never wrote a line of Rust in my life. 20+ years of C++ work. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35050307 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35050307
  - infamouscow 4y ago
    You're arguing straw men rather than engaging in the points being made. Virtually every thread means both positive, neutral, and negative stories. Something about Rust makes people feel justified bullying people supporting their families laboring in C or C++ codebases. No other language community has this. The other fallacy is equating laboring with pridefulness. I never said anything about pride. Most C and C++ programmers are very aware of the problems in their ecosystem and they are starting to solve the problems. The pace of those improvements might not be to your liking, but that doesn't mean it's even plausible to convince my boss to rewrite software in Rust or introduce Rust incrementally. We are four levels deeper into this discussion and it seems the points in my original comment are only strengthened, as evidence in the replies.
    - SleepyMyroslav 4y ago
      Yes, you never said anything about pride and I am not really arguing with points you have made. What I wanted to say is there are many threads on HN where people who 'aware of problems' do not write and people who are 'having fun writing' code gather in hundreds. These threads are equally bad in my opinion as ones you call 'bullying'. I wish HN would discuss improvements in both C and C++ at the same time with improvements in Rust ecosystem without mixing it up but I understand why it gets mixed.

kaba0 4y ago

In my surface-level interactions with the community I have found it to be absolutely kind and helpful.

infamouscow 4y ago

You must not see the C or C++ threads. :) Virtually every C or C++ thread on HN for the last several years is littered with comments from Rust zealots demonizing and condemning other humans for being working in C or C++ codebases.

SleepyMyroslav 4y ago
C or C++ threads on HN are often not about something great. Recend thread on SHA-3 vulnerabilities as example [0]. If security standards providers fail to write secure C code where does this put average Joe? I mean the whole 'pride' threads of people who 'enjoy writing C' or C++ look as strange on HN as Rust brigading. Its funny how there is no C or C++ pride thread on a day when vulnerabilities hit frontpage. PS. I have never wrote a line of Rust in my life. 20+ years of C++ work. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35050307 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35050307
- infamouscow 4y ago
  You're arguing straw men rather than engaging in the points being made. Virtually every thread means both positive, neutral, and negative stories. Something about Rust makes people feel justified bullying people supporting their families laboring in C or C++ codebases. No other language community has this. The other fallacy is equating laboring with pridefulness. I never said anything about pride. Most C and C++ programmers are very aware of the problems in their ecosystem and they are starting to solve the problems. The pace of those improvements might not be to your liking, but that doesn't mean it's even plausible to convince my boss to rewrite software in Rust or introduce Rust incrementally. We are four levels deeper into this discussion and it seems the points in my original comment are only strengthened, as evidence in the replies.
  - SleepyMyroslav 4y ago
    Yes, you never said anything about pride and I am not really arguing with points you have made. What I wanted to say is there are many threads on HN where people who 'aware of problems' do not write and people who are 'having fun writing' code gather in hundreds. These threads are equally bad in my opinion as ones you call 'bullying'. I wish HN would discuss improvements in both C and C++ at the same time with improvements in Rust ecosystem without mixing it up but I understand why it gets mixed.