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That.Is.It. Simple math. France will (have to) move to 64 and later to 67. If not this year, then in a few years. Any many EU countries might even have to mov

That.Is.It. Simple math. France will (have to) move to 64 and later to 67. If not this year, then in a few years. Any many EU countries might even have to move to 70, Germany for sure. People live longer (great), so they also have to work longer.

Twisell 4y ago
Do you frankly believe that french civilisation is dumb or masochist enough to have produced like ten thousands of hours of passionates TV debates (to pick only one metric) if the underlying math was simple?
- dh2022 4y ago
  Because while the math is simple, the politics are very complicated. Which fills these hours of passionate TV debates.
  - Twisell 4y ago
    Even if this was true, I would like to point out that a good part of this debates is about the accuracy of the input data used for the math. With disputed input data math is never simple just ask any data analyst around. Edit: Also this math involve predictions about demographics evolution over the next decades in a global warming and war in europe context. Both can result in unpredictable populations movements. This is never simple ask any demographer around. Edit2: What is complicated about politics especially in french strong state tradition is that laws reform are precisely meant to alter the input data of your model, often with unforeseen side effects, so it's not simple math ask any historian around. This especially worst in France because it's a known and widely discussed issue that the government is indirectly doctoring some key statistics like unemployment data. Changing the metric while you are rolling out a reform is at this point a patented french strategy to prevent any citizen to evaluate a new policy.
conradfr 4y ago
It's already 67 for a full pension if you have not contributed enough "quarters".
aaomidi 4y ago
So you're telling me with all the technological increases we've had, France can't afford to feed its people for the few extra years of life expectancy they have? That seems absurd, and it seems like if that is truly the case, then a lot of other things should change before this. France does have a history of not accepting crap from the ruling class with bloody results for the ruling class. Less the ruling class forget that.

Twisell 4y ago

Do you frankly believe that french civilisation is dumb or masochist enough to have produced like ten thousands of hours of passionates TV debates (to pick only one metric) if the underlying math was simple?

dh2022 4y ago
Because while the math is simple, the politics are very complicated. Which fills these hours of passionate TV debates.
- Twisell 4y ago
  Even if this was true, I would like to point out that a good part of this debates is about the accuracy of the input data used for the math. With disputed input data math is never simple just ask any data analyst around. Edit: Also this math involve predictions about demographics evolution over the next decades in a global warming and war in europe context. Both can result in unpredictable populations movements. This is never simple ask any demographer around. Edit2: What is complicated about politics especially in french strong state tradition is that laws reform are precisely meant to alter the input data of your model, often with unforeseen side effects, so it's not simple math ask any historian around. This especially worst in France because it's a known and widely discussed issue that the government is indirectly doctoring some key statistics like unemployment data. Changing the metric while you are rolling out a reform is at this point a patented french strategy to prevent any citizen to evaluate a new policy.

conradfr 4y ago

It's already 67 for a full pension if you have not contributed enough "quarters".

aaomidi 4y ago

So you're telling me with all the technological increases we've had, France can't afford to feed its people for the few extra years of life expectancy they have? That seems absurd, and it seems like if that is truly the case, then a lot of other things should change before this. France does have a history of not accepting crap from the ruling class with bloody results for the ruling class. Less the ruling class forget that.