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> the sugar industry is paying a lot of money for all this 'research' and 'news coverage' on sugar alternatives This has happened before. In the 1960's, the su

> the sugar industry is paying a lot of money for all this 'research' and 'news coverage' on sugar alternatives This has happened before. In the 1960's, the sugar industry funded research that downplayed the risks of sugar and highlighted the hazards of fat: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074...

waboremo 4y ago
Sugar isn't the only industry either, Dairy operated the same ways. Funding nonsensical research about how healthy and great it is, meanwhile the study is just on added vitamin D, something milk doesn't have naturally. It's how they get away with it, and all you would see in news and ads is "drink milk it's healthy!" Dairy even worse in many ways, because there was no requirement in the food pyramid (and it's related forms) to have a bunch of sugar. However, it's been standard for decades to push multiple full cups of milk per day.
pkaye 4y ago
Don't also forget when margarine was considered healthier than butter. Or that activists were pushing McDonalds for switch from tallow to vegetable oils. Now we consider trans fats and many vegetable oils bad. Or that one time eggs were considered to raise your cholesterol.
- _aavaa_ 4y ago
  that one time? I feel like you could set your watch to how often eggs being bad flip flops
- drekk 4y ago
  Tallow is absolutely not better for you than frying in oils. Tallow also has trans fats. Margarine is lower in saturated fats than butter with none of the cholesterol. None are good for you versus a liquid oil like canola. Eating more fruits and vegetables is always going to be better for you all other things being equal. I still eat fried foods as a vegetarian but my cholesterol is way down. When I donate plasma there isn't gunk in the filter like everyone else. Dunno why people think eating meat and butter every day is possibly sustainable at a health or ecological level. Our ancestors were lucky to get bone marrow. That's the baseline. We still have those same bodies and brains. We've just changed the environment completely and are seeing the consequence (less acute mortality, higher chronic mortality)
- autoexec 4y ago
  It's perfectly fine when our understanding of something evolves and we discover that what seemed like a good idea with the information we had before looks like a bad idea with the more complete information we have now. There's nothing better than using the best evidence available at the time to draw conclusions. Where there's a problem it's when corporations and industries manipulate research until they get favorable results, and bury any evidence unfavorable to their products or when even well-intentioned research is distorted by the media just for clicks. We should expect science to change in the face of new information, that's a feature not a bug. We should be doing a lot more to hold people accountable for lying and misleading us though, including researchers and the media.
2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
Saturated fat and added sugar are both bad. I think the issue with "added" sugar is that basically all everyone eats all the time contains "added" sugar. It's a tough pill to swallow to be told that your entire diet is shit. Now you aren't just up against the sugar lobby but all processed foods.

waboremo 4y ago

Sugar isn't the only industry either, Dairy operated the same ways. Funding nonsensical research about how healthy and great it is, meanwhile the study is just on added vitamin D, something milk doesn't have naturally. It's how they get away with it, and all you would see in news and ads is "drink milk it's healthy!" Dairy even worse in many ways, because there was no requirement in the food pyramid (and it's related forms) to have a bunch of sugar. However, it's been standard for decades to push multiple full cups of milk per day.

pkaye 4y ago

Don't also forget when margarine was considered healthier than butter. Or that activists were pushing McDonalds for switch from tallow to vegetable oils. Now we consider trans fats and many vegetable oils bad. Or that one time eggs were considered to raise your cholesterol.

_aavaa_ 4y ago
that one time? I feel like you could set your watch to how often eggs being bad flip flops
drekk 4y ago
Tallow is absolutely not better for you than frying in oils. Tallow also has trans fats. Margarine is lower in saturated fats than butter with none of the cholesterol. None are good for you versus a liquid oil like canola. Eating more fruits and vegetables is always going to be better for you all other things being equal. I still eat fried foods as a vegetarian but my cholesterol is way down. When I donate plasma there isn't gunk in the filter like everyone else. Dunno why people think eating meat and butter every day is possibly sustainable at a health or ecological level. Our ancestors were lucky to get bone marrow. That's the baseline. We still have those same bodies and brains. We've just changed the environment completely and are seeing the consequence (less acute mortality, higher chronic mortality)
autoexec 4y ago
It's perfectly fine when our understanding of something evolves and we discover that what seemed like a good idea with the information we had before looks like a bad idea with the more complete information we have now. There's nothing better than using the best evidence available at the time to draw conclusions. Where there's a problem it's when corporations and industries manipulate research until they get favorable results, and bury any evidence unfavorable to their products or when even well-intentioned research is distorted by the media just for clicks. We should expect science to change in the face of new information, that's a feature not a bug. We should be doing a lot more to hold people accountable for lying and misleading us though, including researchers and the media.

2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago

Saturated fat and added sugar are both bad. I think the issue with "added" sugar is that basically all everyone eats all the time contains "added" sugar. It's a tough pill to swallow to be told that your entire diet is shit. Now you aren't just up against the sugar lobby but all processed foods.