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Agreed, using Rust is like switching a monster (C++) for another even worse. And notice that Rust is not even a mature language, it will get much worse. I will

Agreed, using Rust is like switching a monster (C++) for another even worse. And notice that Rust is not even a mature language, it will get much worse. I will stay with C, thank you.

ok123456 4y ago
'constexpr' and 'auto' in modern C++ can eliminate a large portion of the ugliness. In some cases it can be much more ergonomic than the equivalent Rust.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  Indeed, one gets to write macro like code on the same language.
  - spoiler 4y ago
    You can write Rust macros in Rust too, if you wish, but it's a bit more involved (https://doc.rust-lang.org/reference/procedural-macros.html https://doc.rust-lang.org/reference/procedural-macros.html). I realise this isn't the same as constexpr, but I'd argue it's nicer. Rust also has const generics (but they are still a bit shabby in places last time I used them). I for one never liked the constexpr semantic and syntax. Always felt like a... Little pebble in my shoe. Didn't quite annoy me enough not to use it since it was useful, but it was never a comfortable experience.
DeathArrow 4y ago
At least C++ is enormous and you can find a sane subset that you enjoy using. And C++ can be pretty safe with smart pointers.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  Unfortunately there is always that clever one than can't let go of writing C style code, regardless of what kind of pointers are being used. It is one of my favourite languages, but I also acknowledge that C compatibility is a big pain point for security.
- vore 4y ago
  This almost works until you have to integrate with other people's C++ code and find out they picked a different subset to you.
kaba0 4y ago
Can you write a performant, generic vector data structure in C? Until then it is useless in my book.
- coliveira 4y ago
  So useless that Linux, gcc, and all UNIX system commands is written in C. But you're probably doing much more important things, right?
  - punkbit 4y ago
    We should definitely appreciate the craftsmanship. This comment says everything, regardless of how trendy Rust might be, let’s respect the craft, your favourite language doesn’t make you more important. Legends!
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    - kaba0 4y ago
      Rust is not my favorite language and I didn’t mean to speak anything negative about projects written in C, but I do think that those that become great did so in spite of C, not because of it. No access to performant generic data structures is a major reason why truly performance oriented programs rather choose C++ over C.

Agreed, using Rust is like switching a monster (C++) for another even worse. And notice that Rust is not even a mature language, it will get much worse. I will stay with C, thank you.

ok123456 4y ago

'constexpr' and 'auto' in modern C++ can eliminate a large portion of the ugliness. In some cases it can be much more ergonomic than the equivalent Rust.

pjmlp 4y ago
Indeed, one gets to write macro like code on the same language.
- spoiler 4y ago
  You can write Rust macros in Rust too, if you wish, but it's a bit more involved (https://doc.rust-lang.org/reference/procedural-macros.html https://doc.rust-lang.org/reference/procedural-macros.html). I realise this isn't the same as constexpr, but I'd argue it's nicer. Rust also has const generics (but they are still a bit shabby in places last time I used them). I for one never liked the constexpr semantic and syntax. Always felt like a... Little pebble in my shoe. Didn't quite annoy me enough not to use it since it was useful, but it was never a comfortable experience.

DeathArrow 4y ago

At least C++ is enormous and you can find a sane subset that you enjoy using. And C++ can be pretty safe with smart pointers.

pjmlp 4y ago
Unfortunately there is always that clever one than can't let go of writing C style code, regardless of what kind of pointers are being used. It is one of my favourite languages, but I also acknowledge that C compatibility is a big pain point for security.
vore 4y ago
This almost works until you have to integrate with other people's C++ code and find out they picked a different subset to you.

kaba0 4y ago

Can you write a performant, generic vector data structure in C? Until then it is useless in my book.

coliveira 4y ago
So useless that Linux, gcc, and all UNIX system commands is written in C. But you're probably doing much more important things, right?
- punkbit 4y ago
  We should definitely appreciate the craftsmanship. This comment says everything, regardless of how trendy Rust might be, let’s respect the craft, your favourite language doesn’t make you more important. Legends!
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  - kaba0 4y ago
    Rust is not my favorite language and I didn’t mean to speak anything negative about projects written in C, but I do think that those that become great did so in spite of C, not because of it. No access to performant generic data structures is a major reason why truly performance oriented programs rather choose C++ over C.