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You mean people being let go? There have been layoffs in ton of SV companies, complete with fake "I take full responsibility". I am not sure what to do, other

You mean people being let go? There have been layoffs in ton of SV companies, complete with fake "I take full responsibility". I am not sure what to do, other than let go people, if the company is hemorrhaging money with not much to show for it.

JeremyNT 4y ago
There's a "right" way and a "wrong" way to go about reducing headcount. I'm not exactly sure what the "right" way is, but I'm pretty sure that Elon's way ain't it.
- starik36 4y ago
  The only thing that matters is what you take from it. Severance. Everything else is completely and utterly immaterial.
  - cody_coconuts 4y ago
    That might be the only thing that matters to you, but that's not what matters to many others, or notably, the law
  - Quarrelsome 4y ago
    that's not entirely true. Going out of your way to slander your former employees while revealing private medical information about them is nowhere near as kind as stating that your former employees are hard-working but the company simply made strategic employee head-count mistakes and needed to downsize.
  - darth_avocado 4y ago
    The 1 month of severance?
- 93po 4y ago
  You mean by providing several months of severance? And not doing it wave after wave like other big tech companies are doing?
  - fnimick 4y ago
    Are you serious? People have had to threaten to sue to get the severance that was agreed on, and there are regular waves of twitter layoffs on practically a weekly basis.
  - darth_avocado 4y ago
    What severance? There is only 1 month of severance. People are on payroll for 2 months because of the WARN act and not because he’s generous. Every single tech company has months of severance on top of the WARN act. But that’s what he’s said he’ll pay, but in reality he’s not even paying people what they’re owed. There’s already quite a few lawsuits on how he’s not paying things. He’s not paying anyone last year’s bonus, he’s not paying people’s buyout payments for terminating early, he’s firing people instead of laying them off because he doesn’t have to py severance, he’s not honoring anything agreed upon in the acquisition agreement. Please be informed before you actually talk about this.
    - Nokinside 4y ago
      Haraldur Thorleifsson is the creator of the design studio Ueno, which Twitter purchased in 2021. The deal was structured so that he gets paid the entire deal upon his termination. This tweet rant can cost up to $100 million for Musk. >He’s not paying anyone It's mostly dirty tactics. Musk estimates that significant amount of employees are not smart enough to get what they are owned. He tries to get away without paying. Only those people who sue for wrongful termination, or unpaid bonuses get paid.
mbesto 4y ago
> You mean people being let go? There have been layoffs in ton of SV companies, complete with fake "I take full responsibility". At least the employees of those companies knew they were fired. Read the originating message from Haraldur to Elon...he went to twitter because he had no idea whether he was employed or not. smh
Pxtl 4y ago
This is not just somebody being let go. Publicly grilling your employee with the mocking "what would you say you do here" on Twitter is ludicrously unprofessional, following up with trash-talking him about using his disability as an excuse for not producing. I honestly question Musk's sobriety at this point.
- 93po 4y ago
  The employee made this public, not Elon.
  - Pxtl 4y ago
    The employee made the question "am I fired or not, I tried to ask through the proper channels and got nothing" public, which is imho reasonable especially after 9 days. Musk, being the head of numerous companies, should know better than to respond with anything other than "I'll follow up with HR". When alt-right weirdos ask him crap, his response is just "looking into it". That's all he needed to do here.
    - 93po 4y ago
      If you want to garner goodwill with your former employer after years of not doing work and still getting paid a massive salary, then taking it public after a measly 9 days is pretty ridiculous. This guy knows he was in the wrong and is milking his notability to get paid anyway.
      - fabian2k 4y ago
        You have no actual evidence for your allegation that he did no work for years. And not telling someone for 9 days that they are fired is simply not acceptable. I don't know the legal requirements in the relevant jurisdiction here, but firing people without telling them is usually either invalid entirely or at least a really, really shitty move. That HR is unable to confirm the employment state for 9 days is just absurd, that's no way to run a company.
  - 4y ago

JeremyNT 4y ago

There's a "right" way and a "wrong" way to go about reducing headcount. I'm not exactly sure what the "right" way is, but I'm pretty sure that Elon's way ain't it.

starik36 4y ago
The only thing that matters is what you take from it. Severance. Everything else is completely and utterly immaterial.
- cody_coconuts 4y ago
  That might be the only thing that matters to you, but that's not what matters to many others, or notably, the law
- Quarrelsome 4y ago
  that's not entirely true. Going out of your way to slander your former employees while revealing private medical information about them is nowhere near as kind as stating that your former employees are hard-working but the company simply made strategic employee head-count mistakes and needed to downsize.
- darth_avocado 4y ago
  The 1 month of severance?
93po 4y ago
You mean by providing several months of severance? And not doing it wave after wave like other big tech companies are doing?
- fnimick 4y ago
  Are you serious? People have had to threaten to sue to get the severance that was agreed on, and there are regular waves of twitter layoffs on practically a weekly basis.
- darth_avocado 4y ago
  What severance? There is only 1 month of severance. People are on payroll for 2 months because of the WARN act and not because he’s generous. Every single tech company has months of severance on top of the WARN act. But that’s what he’s said he’ll pay, but in reality he’s not even paying people what they’re owed. There’s already quite a few lawsuits on how he’s not paying things. He’s not paying anyone last year’s bonus, he’s not paying people’s buyout payments for terminating early, he’s firing people instead of laying them off because he doesn’t have to py severance, he’s not honoring anything agreed upon in the acquisition agreement. Please be informed before you actually talk about this.
  - Nokinside 4y ago
    Haraldur Thorleifsson is the creator of the design studio Ueno, which Twitter purchased in 2021. The deal was structured so that he gets paid the entire deal upon his termination. This tweet rant can cost up to $100 million for Musk. >He’s not paying anyone It's mostly dirty tactics. Musk estimates that significant amount of employees are not smart enough to get what they are owned. He tries to get away without paying. Only those people who sue for wrongful termination, or unpaid bonuses get paid.

mbesto 4y ago

> You mean people being let go? There have been layoffs in ton of SV companies, complete with fake "I take full responsibility". At least the employees of those companies knew they were fired. Read the originating message from Haraldur to Elon...he went to twitter because he had no idea whether he was employed or not. smh

Pxtl 4y ago

This is not just somebody being let go. Publicly grilling your employee with the mocking "what would you say you do here" on Twitter is ludicrously unprofessional, following up with trash-talking him about using his disability as an excuse for not producing. I honestly question Musk's sobriety at this point.

93po 4y ago
The employee made this public, not Elon.
- Pxtl 4y ago
  The employee made the question "am I fired or not, I tried to ask through the proper channels and got nothing" public, which is imho reasonable especially after 9 days. Musk, being the head of numerous companies, should know better than to respond with anything other than "I'll follow up with HR". When alt-right weirdos ask him crap, his response is just "looking into it". That's all he needed to do here.
  - 93po 4y ago
    If you want to garner goodwill with your former employer after years of not doing work and still getting paid a massive salary, then taking it public after a measly 9 days is pretty ridiculous. This guy knows he was in the wrong and is milking his notability to get paid anyway.
    - fabian2k 4y ago
      You have no actual evidence for your allegation that he did no work for years. And not telling someone for 9 days that they are fired is simply not acceptable. I don't know the legal requirements in the relevant jurisdiction here, but firing people without telling them is usually either invalid entirely or at least a really, really shitty move. That HR is unable to confirm the employment state for 9 days is just absurd, that's no way to run a company.
- 4y ago