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this comments reminds me about owning a mac and installing a github repo to allow mouse scrolling direction to not be tied to touch pad scrolling [edit] just f

by jbj 4y ago

this comments reminds me about owning a mac and installing a github repo to allow mouse scrolling direction to not be tied to touch pad scrolling [edit] just following up, it was UnnaturalScrollWheels, which have been notarized: https://github.com/ther0n/UnnaturalScrollWheels/releases/tag/1.2.3 https://github.com/ther0n/UnnaturalScrollWheels/releases/tag...

addandsubtract 4y ago
The zoom scroll is disconnected from the scroll direction as well. I'm not sure if they fixed it by now or if I just got used to it, but it was super disorienting when I noticed it.
jdlyga 4y ago
We typically use LinearMouse for this. Allows you to even set scrolling direction, scroll speed, acceleration profile, etc per mouse. But yeah, MacOS is a little like Gnome Shell. It requires a few basic apps to make it usable, but after that it's pretty excellent.
- radlad 4y ago
  Thanks for mentioning LinearMouse. I've previously used Scroll Reverser so it's nice to hear of other options in this space.[0] [0] https://pilotmoon.com/scrollreverser/ https://pilotmoon.com/scrollreverser/
  - graynk 4y ago
    MOS [0] is also pretty good, if you like smooth scroll. [0] https://mos.caldis.me/ https://mos.caldis.me/
- gligorot 4y ago
  Do you have a list of helpful apps?
jraph 4y ago
Hello 2005 GNU/Linux! Installing random packages to fix OS stuff that should work out of the box was fun for a while :-)
- naikrovek 4y ago
  here's the thing, though: "working as intended" and "working as you intend" are very different things. no operating system ever has arrived on a user's computer completely configurable to any given user's preferences. you're complaining about something that simply isn't possible without third party software and time spent by the user in question.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    > "working as intended" and "working as you intend" are very different things. You're holding it wrong
0cVlTeIATBs 4y ago
I was surprised by needing to do this when switch to MacOS. So many things don't "just work" despite all that I've heard about it.
- JohnBooty 4y ago
  Overwhelmingly, it does "just work" as Apple intended. However, it's often quite opinionated. So Apple's intended functionality may or may not jive with your preferences. This is neither a defense nor criticism of Apple, and it's not a defense or criticism of your preferences either. I will point out that anecdotally, I don't hear too many people wanting their mouse's scrolling to work in the opposite direction as their trackpad. I think Apple's probably got well over 99% of the userbase covered with the defaults and opinions here. From a software/QA/UX perspective things get wild pretty quickly if you cover every < 1% use case.
  - goosedragons 4y ago
    That setting is particularly terrible because they mirror it in both "mouse" and "trackpad" settings or at least that's how they used to do it. So it SEEMS like you can have independent settings for a mouse and trackpad but they control the same thing (which is equally weird, does any other setting do that?).
  - karaterobot 4y ago
    FWIW, I think the phrase "just works" implies that you, the user, should expect it to work without any tweaks or workarounds. So, the user's preferences are implied. Saying that it just works in many cases, or that it just works for Apple is not what is implied by that marketing. It's a strong promise that was chosen for a reason, and in many cases they do not live up to it.
    - taneq 4y ago
      Do they still use that line? While some of their newer stuff does meet that standard, a lot more “just works if you already know what it does“ (eg. AirPods need to be in the case to pair… why?) and still more seems kinda random (fk you iOS keyboard.)

by jbj 4y ago

addandsubtract 4y ago

The zoom scroll is disconnected from the scroll direction as well. I'm not sure if they fixed it by now or if I just got used to it, but it was super disorienting when I noticed it.

jdlyga 4y ago

We typically use LinearMouse for this. Allows you to even set scrolling direction, scroll speed, acceleration profile, etc per mouse. But yeah, MacOS is a little like Gnome Shell. It requires a few basic apps to make it usable, but after that it's pretty excellent.

radlad 4y ago
Thanks for mentioning LinearMouse. I've previously used Scroll Reverser so it's nice to hear of other options in this space.[0] [0] https://pilotmoon.com/scrollreverser/ https://pilotmoon.com/scrollreverser/
- graynk 4y ago
  MOS [0] is also pretty good, if you like smooth scroll. [0] https://mos.caldis.me/ https://mos.caldis.me/
gligorot 4y ago
Do you have a list of helpful apps?

jraph 4y ago

Hello 2005 GNU/Linux! Installing random packages to fix OS stuff that should work out of the box was fun for a while :-)

naikrovek 4y ago
here's the thing, though: "working as intended" and "working as you intend" are very different things. no operating system ever has arrived on a user's computer completely configurable to any given user's preferences. you're complaining about something that simply isn't possible without third party software and time spent by the user in question.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  > "working as intended" and "working as you intend" are very different things. You're holding it wrong

0cVlTeIATBs 4y ago

I was surprised by needing to do this when switch to MacOS. So many things don't "just work" despite all that I've heard about it.

JohnBooty 4y ago
Overwhelmingly, it does "just work" as Apple intended. However, it's often quite opinionated. So Apple's intended functionality may or may not jive with your preferences. This is neither a defense nor criticism of Apple, and it's not a defense or criticism of your preferences either. I will point out that anecdotally, I don't hear too many people wanting their mouse's scrolling to work in the opposite direction as their trackpad. I think Apple's probably got well over 99% of the userbase covered with the defaults and opinions here. From a software/QA/UX perspective things get wild pretty quickly if you cover every < 1% use case.
- goosedragons 4y ago
  That setting is particularly terrible because they mirror it in both "mouse" and "trackpad" settings or at least that's how they used to do it. So it SEEMS like you can have independent settings for a mouse and trackpad but they control the same thing (which is equally weird, does any other setting do that?).
- karaterobot 4y ago
  FWIW, I think the phrase "just works" implies that you, the user, should expect it to work without any tweaks or workarounds. So, the user's preferences are implied. Saying that it just works in many cases, or that it just works for Apple is not what is implied by that marketing. It's a strong promise that was chosen for a reason, and in many cases they do not live up to it.
  - taneq 4y ago
    Do they still use that line? While some of their newer stuff does meet that standard, a lot more “just works if you already know what it does“ (eg. AirPods need to be in the case to pair… why?) and still more seems kinda random (fk you iOS keyboard.)